Hong-Kong Protests

manqiangrexue said:

If this forum is to have any relation to the real world, especially as a military forum, it cannot forbid talk of potential violence. If Americans did not resort to violence against fellow Americans, your country could still be split between the North and South today. Sometimes in life, violence is the only way to bring about peace and denial of that only divorces discussions from reality.

But as you can tell from my post that you quoted, I'm not entirely sure that violence (or a military answer) is the correct response yet as I'm still struggling to understand what Hong Kong is (even without consideration to the riots).

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manqiangrexue said:

Well the Chinese members here are having a good discussion with various points of view on how things should be handled, with some people learning and changing their minds. That is the definition of a mature and fruitful conversation. But when people come here to troll, it can go downhill very quickly.

Show evidence for why they are false then. My ears are wide open as I'm trying to formulate a solid picture for myself of what Hong Kong is. Every member here posts videos and evidence of violence and mob behavior in order to correctly define them as riots. It is you who chooses to side-step such discussions and go off on your own tangent posting propaganda articles that emotionalize things without evidence... When one looks at videos but still says no evidence was provided, I can only assume that this is a voluntary blindness.

I don't assume these things until they are proven to me... sometimes over and over again.

False things don't become true no matter how many times they are posted. They are just propaganda pieces, without evidence, that regurgitate what they hear from each other. Oftentimes, the authors have never even been to Hong Kong; they just romanticize a battle of people's hearts over tyranny from their own imagination.

If you want to have any effect other than trolling, come join the discussion, refute our evidence, show why you are correct with logic instead of just repetition. Don't be scared of the mental challenge of debate.

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Air Force Brat said:

If this were not the most relevant forum pertaining to the Chinese military on the web?? I wouldn't be here, nor would you? SDF has been the best long before either of us came along, thanks to our outstanding moderation.....

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manqiangrexue said:

Yeah, but if you live there like 10 years, you can sorta get a feel on things. Western fake news would have you believe it's 100% anti-China LOL

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solarz said:

I'd say 50/50 is the right ballpark.

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Janiz said:

lol

If those numbers would be true I would say that in reality it's like 1:10+.

You know, you can go to prison for protesting against CCP and for protesting in it's support the only question will be how many points can you get from this?

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manqiangrexue said:

But if it is some stronghold of anti-Chinese hatred with everyone jumping at the chance to help the CIA subvert the Chinese government, then talks are useless. Tanks and guns are the only solution to cleaning it up. There can be no anti-Chinese stronghold allowed to exist in China.

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vesicles said:

I myself have absolutely no problem with HKers wanting to have more freedom. I am ok with them protesting on the streets.

However, I do have a huge problem with some of them claiming not to be Chinese. Unlike Taiwan, where there had been some gray areas (especially concerning the aboriginals living on the island way before China took control of the island >400 years ago), Hong Kong has always been part of China. Even the British recognized this fact when they were the colonial power controlling HK. That’s why they had to return HK back to China when the lease was up, despite that fact that the British wanted to keep HK for themselves.

HK people had always identified themselves as Chinese. HK’s Chinese history drama in the 70’s, 80’s and 90’s have been considered as classics and the golden standard of Chinese ancient history drama.

As the saying goes, they may hate the government, but they love the country. Similarly, HKers may hate the PRC, but they should never separate themselves from being Chinese.

An earlier article talks about an international student from HK feeling uncomfortable being referred to as being from “Hong Kong, China”. This, to me, would be unacceptable. The term “Hong Kong, China” is legally, politically, historically and socially correct in every sense of the word. HKers are Chinese in every sense of the definition. No matter how anyone spins it.

The HKer in the article considers themselves the same as Tibet and Taiwan. HK is very different in the sense that HK has always been offficially and legally part of China. Even the most staunched supporters of the Taiwan independence acknowledge that Taiwan and HK are very different. Most of the supporters of the Taiwan independence movement consider HK as a Chinese territory colonized by the British. They always proudly claim that “we have independence, but they (HKers) have never had independence.

Even one of the main leaders of the protest made a statement today that he is not seeking Hong Kong independence. That means he acknowledges that HK is part of China. Then HKers are Chinese. “Hong Kong, China” is an absolutely 100% correct description.

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