Hong-Kong Protests

Mr T said:

Then I look forward to seeing that happen if the immigration law is changed.

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Let's see what if it actually happens.

Permanently removing London's position as a global financial centre is not a proportionate response to Parliament passing an immigration bill. We'll have to see what China actually does.

But is there any doubt that the Chinese government has a number of responses already prepared, given the months of planning involved?

And in the background, the Chinese government would be likely be happy with all the hardcore violent protesters moving from Hong Kong to the UK, and let the British authorities deal with them.

So the Conservative Party makes a historic mistake that could:
1. cost them the next election and result in a more friendly labour-led government.
2. push the UK towards becoming more isolationist on immigration and trade, and therefore poorer and less influential.
3. result in the UK being stuck with violent rioters

hullopilllw said:

You are trying to explain a matter objectively to someone who is judging through a coloured len.

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It's not really for his benefit.

It's for all the other readers who don't actually understand what the situation and what is likely to happen.

Like I've said before, China understands the outside world far better than vice-versa.

supercat said:

Welcome to UK:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1268104196307464192

Now compare the above to the following, naturalized Hong Kong Rugby players sing Chinese national anthem in Mandarin:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1268514352492982273

I'm glad insulting national anthem will be a crime soon in Hong Kong.

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That racist scums is not unique, and it is quite typical of what the average foreigners, including chinese, is experiencing in the UK and elsewhere in the west.

This is why I think it's laughable that the very thought of Boris going to offer FULL British citizenship to those delusional Hong Kongers. And the very naive (at best, or deliberately knowing) members here think that move from Boris is even possible!

The rugby seven. Fantastic I saw that on numerous occasions as I'm a rugby fan. It's great to see these foreign born Hong Kongers (some actually born in Hong Kong) singing their hearts out.

Wangxi said:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1268678597868388358

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It was great to see this, the alliance if the desperate. Seeing right wingers (some on the fringe of neo-nazis) getting together to demonize China should back fire on them.

Any video that includes Marco Rubio (enough said of these president wannabe) with Ian, and his brother "Duncan" Smith. A failed Ex-Tory leader with hatred towards China, due to perhaps, his ethinic Japanese heritage should be taken seriously!

Dolcevita said:

Please do not post such type of trash, You are helping propagate propaganda from a malicious platform. The agenda and motives are clear on their platform "An international cross-party group of legislators working to reform the approach of democratic countries to China. "

They have no standing on how to reform China and are arrogant enough to think they are relevant. Only Chinese people do.

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Dolcevita (I loved that film), I normally agreed with you, but in this one I think it's good to show the world that China has them worry, and they are getting together to try and counter China's influence.

One thing I can say is, China must be doing something right to give them all the jitters! I don't think this was possible even as recent as 10 years ago.

This tweets coming from Mitch, you know the rabide right wing die hard. The one that's married to a Chinese woman in Trump's gov. A staunch Chinaphobe, who thinks Hong Kong's protestors are freedom fighters, commenting on the riots in the USA just sound so hollow some how!


You do not advance peace by committing assault.
You do not advance justice by inflicting injustice upon your neighbors.
You do not promote the rule of law through anarchy. WATCH @senatemajldr Mitch McConnell's full speech:

Mr T said:

I didn't say that. I said that it was a weak response compared to the public threats made.

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No, China implementing Barley tariffs on Australia was a proportional response on the escalation ladder.
You don't escalate from 0% to 100%.
You step up the pressure gradually, to make it clear there are steadily worsening consequences, to make the point.

Australia in particular are known for hosting lots of "loud mouthed rednecks with racist views towards Asians"
Not my words, but ones which every Asian in Australia would agree with.
Australia doesn't tend to do quiet diplomacy very well, so you need megaphone diplomacy to get through to them.

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What you're proposing is really LOUD words need to be backed up by really BIG actions IMMEDIATELY, otherwise you look WEAK.
In other words, you agree with the Donald Trump doctrine.

So how is that working out for the USA?

What would be the point of retaliating? Trade wars have no winners.

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In the case of the China-Australia example, China could be the winner in any actual trade war.
The economic disparity is roughly 10x

And what does Australia actually produce that China needs?
The Australian economy is based around producing cheap commodities.
By definition, there's nothing special about commodities, and competitiveness is just about cost.

China consumes more commodities than the rest of the world combined, so Australia has no choice but to sell to China.
But because these are commodities, it is relatively easy for China to source alternatives.

Right, I have a bit of an out of the box idea - what if this current British immigration offer is actually a secret, back channel way of the UK trying to kiss up to China?

Think about it, given the COVID19 situation in the UK, only the hardcore rioters and wannabe terrorists would have any interest in taking the UK up on its offer. These are precisely the people Beijing would gladly see the backs off for good.

The British extending the offer would make sense if that was the aim because the vast majority of these Chinese deplorables are too young to have gotten BNO passport originally.

The British government have no choice but to make statements on HK, or it would have a revolt within the conservatives party and hand labour a bat to endlessly beat them with for months if not years.

By making this gift disguised as ‘threat’, Boris is serving both his own domestic needs to appear to be sticking one up at big bad China, while also giving Beijing real material help to effectively and permanently deal with a potentially sticky problem for China.

The timing is also interesting, because Boris is facing the very real possibility of a revolt within his own party on the upcoming telecoms bill over the role of Huawei.

Making a ‘stand’ on HK would neatly cut the knees off Boris’ critics within his own party, who accuse him of being soft on China; and would also give him a powerful card to play to convince the British America-First deplorables within his own party to back off on Huawei - that ‘we are already on thin ice with China over HK, to additionally act against Huawei would guarantee strong reprisals that Britain simply cannot afford right now‘.

In that context, the British stance would then make perfect sense. As would China’s unusually mild reaction thus far, especially when we compare and contrast that to Chinese responses to recent Australian and Canadian provocations.

Win-win for both China and Boris.

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Great video about the education system and how it got to brain washing the kids. Sorry it's in Cantonese. But it comes with Sub-titiles in English and Chinese.

plawolf said:

Right, I have a bit of an out of the box idea - what if this current British immigration offer is actually a secret, back channel way of the UK trying to kiss up to China?

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I judge that highly unlikely.

Think about it, given the COVID19 situation in the UK, only the hardcore rioters and wannabe terrorists would have any interest in taking the UK up on its offer. These are precisely the people Beijing would gladly see the backs off for good.

The British extending the offer would make sense if that was the aim because the vast majority of these Chinese deplorables are too young to have gotten BNO passport originally.

The British government have no choice but to make statements on HK, or it would have a revolt within the conservatives party and hand labour a bat to endlessly beat them with for months if not years.

By making this gift disguised as ‘threat’, Boris is serving both his own domestic needs to appear to be sticking one up at big bad China, while also giving Beijing real material help to effectively and permanently deal with a potentially sticky problem for China.

The timing is also interesting, because Boris is facing the very real possibility of a revolt within his own party on the upcoming telecoms bill over the role of Huawei.

Making a ‘stand’ on HK would neatly cut the knees off Boris’ critics within his own party, who accuse him of being soft on China; and would also give him a powerful card to play to convince the British America-First deplorables within his own party to back off on Huawei - that ‘we are already on thin ice with China over HK, to additionally act against Huawei would guarantee strong reprisals that Britain simply cannot afford right now‘.

In that context, the British stance would then make perfect sense. As would China’s unusually mild reaction thus far, especially when we compare and contrast that to Chinese responses to recent Australian and Canadian provocations.

Win-win for both China and Boris.

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It may actually end up as that situation, but it's definitely not from conscious planning by Boris Johnson or the cabinet.

On the other hand, given that even we can see what is happening, it's not outlandish to speculate that others in the British establishment are manoeuvring for this outcome.

hullopilllw said:

Who is he, how much has he even contributed to the economy of HK to consider his own voice as having any form, if any, of authority over PRC issue. Other than being a useful channel for subversive foreign influence, his entire existence is of no value.

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Our Mr T has been here a long time. Obviously doesn't contribute much otherwise he would be more "senior in the forum's ranking".

He's supposed to be from the UK, but comment much on Taiwan, Japan and Hong Kong. But I do not believe he understand Chinese cultural, history, language or politics.

I'm a college lecturer in the UK, and often I've to access my students. And if he was my student I'll summarise as such:

This student unfortunately is not really well informed. Most of the stuff is from his head with prejudice views. Does not pass the critical test. Needs more research to aid understanding. Refuses to take advise and counter point. Ignore facts if it doesn't fit with his own hypothesis. Will only responds to others if it thinks it has got a case, will withdrawal and refuses to answer when confronted with facts that contradict his views.