Hong-Kong Protests

The Observer

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I have to correct one small but very important error here.

Hong Kong was never ever a democracy under the British. Period!

Great catch! I never knew that Hong Kong democracy is so young and if Hong Kong ever return to being a British colony its citizen will actually lose their right to vote. There goes another argument for returning to British rule and the romanticism of that era in Hong Kong history. I guess if Hong kongese can get used to living under a governor appointed by the British Crown, they can get used to living under a governor appointed by Beijing.
 

localizer

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Let's compare and contrast. This is Trump's press secretary kaylie justifying Trump's use of tear gas and the military in clearing the demonstrators outside the church.

It is justify because the demonstrators was throwing bricks and water bottles! yet in Hong Kong, after police getting shot by arrows and slingshots was deemed excessive use of force.



I was really pissed when the terrorists were shining powerful lasers at people's eyes and saying its harmless out of sheer ignorance. Lasers can easily permanently blind people.

The whole media was on their side and logic and reason was sidelined just to screw with China. That's what it's all about.

There's millions of people dying from hunger every year and the West couldn't care less.





Also, Chinese/JP/KR police are better than Western police. That's why foreigners get bold and think they can get away with rapey and aggressive bullshit there. They ain't afraid of Asian cops. People were saying HK police were doing genocide, which is just typical gaslighting from the enemies.
 
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Please do not post such type of trash, You are helping propagate propaganda from a malicious platform. The agenda and motives are clear on their platform "An international cross-party group of legislators working to reform the approach of democratic countries to China. "

They have no standing on how to reform China and are arrogant enough to think they are relevant. Only Chinese people do.
 

supersnoop

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I'm not sure it's necessary for spies to do lots of physical meets these days. If you're working for a professional agency you can transmit information digitally via code and/or encryption with the software to cover your tracks.

Besides, with modern transport links you can get into and out of China easily enough. If Hong Kong became too hot, people could easily use Singapore, Manilla, any Taiwanese city, etc instead if they really had to transfer information physically. In fact, Taiwan is probably a more ideal hub because the authorities there are hostile to the CCP. Whereas the HK authorities will cooperate with the mainland Chinese authorities, especially in private.

Besides the timing of the announcement of the new security law seems suspiciously well-timed to come into force in advance of the upcoming LegCo election and also followed the disasterous District Council election result.

My example was just something simple to get a point across.

However, more important than espionage would be counter terrorism work. With all the intelligence apparatus at its disposal, the US was not able to stop 9/11. Even after 9/11, UK could not prevent London bombings. That being said, how many attacks were prevented that we don’t know about? How instrumental is the fact that MI6 can pass info to MI5 then to Scotland Yard and local police? In any country, there is local CTU force, and national CTU force. Failure of local police in Munich Olympics lead directly to creation of GSG-9. If terrorists are able to execute a large scale hostage taking type of operation, they’ve probably already overwhelmed local police resources.

The Chinese government has a duty to protect its citizens. That includes those that reside in HK. You may not agree with their means or methods, but the security forces operate under these auspices.

You can focus on political crimes all you want, however most people are not overly political. In fact, I would make the argument that it’s better to pass this law now, when you can still debate it. If some yahoos kill a bunch of people those people who didn’t care before will be begging for PAP.
 

localizer

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"When the students poured into Tiananmen Square, the Chinese government almost blew it. Then they were vicious, they were horrible, but they put it down with strength," Trump replied. "That shows you the power of strength. Our country is right now perceived as weak...as being spit on by the rest of the world."

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Mr T

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You fundamentally do not understand how the Chinese government communicates.
They don't like to make disputes or threats public, and would always prefer to settle things privately.

Then it's strange that the Chinese government is extremely quick to make public threats. It's not very smart being aggressive diplomatically if it actually wants to settle things in private, as it makes it harder for the other country to back down.

And I'd say the unstated threat to the UK is very simple. China will threaten to make Switzerland or Frankfurt the offshore RMB for Europe.

Then I look forward to seeing that happen if the immigration law is changed.

The only country that dares sell arms to Taiwan is the USA. There's a reason why France stopped selling arms to Taiwan for decades.
And I don't expect that arms deal to actually go through, because there are any number of French companies that will find themselves in difficulty.

That's not really true. Non-US companies still sell their services to the Taiwanese defence sector. The CM-32 was based on an Irish design. The IDF upgrade involved BAE.

As for the "French deal", I guess you mean the Lafayette upgrades. I don't read the French press much, and the French government isn't required to make DSCA-style notifications, so news on that might easily be missed. But if it does go through, again I look forward to a robust response that pushes France into a severe economic crisis and French politicians crawling on their bellies in Beijing to beg forgiveness.

And you seem to be deluded in thinking that China has run out of options on Australia.

I didn't say that. I said that it was a weak response compared to the public threats made.

Note that Australia has decided not to retaliate because it knows it will lose in any trade war with China.

What would be the point of retaliating? Trade wars have no winners.
 

hullopilllw

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Once those foreign-backed dissidents are out of HK, they would be totally useless for their backers anymore.

Need further proof ?

“Lifelong regret of having cooperated with the CIA"

The Dalai Lama defected in 1959. In the subsequent three decades, Gyalo Thondup had been trying to steer a course among the CIA, Indian intelligence department and Chiang Kai-shek’s administration in Taiwan. It can be said that he had been involved in dealing with various international political forces for the Dalai. He also witnessed America’s attitude towards the “Tibet issue”, wavering in line with the change of Sino-US relations. In an interview with The Wall Street Journal in 2009, he said: “Americans can only cause some troubles to China but has no long-term policy on Tibet. The Dalai Lama has never been regarded as some role.” At the end of his memoirs, he bluntly revealed that America provoked Han-Tibetan conflicts only for its own interests and succeeded in deepening India’s misunderstanding and confusion by making use of this matter. “Cooperation with the CIA is a lifelong regret of mine,” he said.

“The central leaders are very kind and polite to me”

According to his memoirs, from the late 1970s, he frequently went to India and Hong Kong to know what happened to the Chinese mainland and the Chinese leaders’ attitude towards Dalai. He was received by Deng Xiaoping, Xi Zhongxun, Ulanhu and other leaders in Beijing. Deng was very broad-minded and put forward many policies for the overseas Tibetan compatriots, such as “all patriots belong to one big family, whether they rally to the common cause early or late” and “having freedom to come and go and letting the past be forgotten”. “Xi Zhongxun, Ulanhu and other leaders are very kind and polite to me. We often had very pleasant conversations.”
 
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