Hong-Kong Protests

AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
Well like with Syria under Obama claiming to stand in support was really only to inspire the Syrians to fight. The US was never going to send in troops to fight. And in that case ISIS was born as a direct result.
 

foxmulder_ms

Junior Member
Well like with Syria under Obama claiming to stand in support was really only to inspire the Syrians to fight. The US was never going to send in troops to fight. And in that case ISIS was born as a direct result.


Also, do not forget, US sold out their Syrian allies, the Kurds in a 5 min phone call!
 

daifo

Captain
Registered Member
HK "pro democracy" politicians and rioters got their wish. Lololol. They had been asking US to revoke HK's special status. Now if special status is revoked, HK will turn into just another Chinese city. Easier to integrate with mainland China liao. Lololol

They should of stopped when they got the extradition treaty shelved. But they couldn't stop, they had to invite foreign entities, wave foreign flags, plea for foreign invasion, attack chinese, attack china, spread as many lies as possible, destroy the economy etc. These rioters will deserve every bit of what coming to them. If the special status is revoked, they and their family would hurt even more.
 

AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
They should of stopped when they got the extradition treaty shelved. But they couldn't stop, they had to invite foreign entities, wave foreign flags, plea for foreign invasion, attack chinese, attack china, spread as many lies as possible, destroy the economy etc. These rioters will deserve every bit of what coming to them. If the special status is revoked, they and their family would hurt even more.

The extradition law was just an excuse. Their goal is independence from the start. It's no different from when I saw on US news sites that an Arab spring revolution should start in China because there was a car accident between a Chinese and Mongolian driver.
 

muddie

Junior Member
The extradition law was just an excuse. Their goal is independence from the start. It's no different from when I saw on US news sites that an Arab spring revolution should start in China because there was a car accident between a Chinese and Mongolian driver.

The timing of the national security legislation by China is very interesting, why now? I had thought that the HK riots have pretty much died down in recent months with the exception of a few.

China must have known that U.S./U.K. would respond to this strongly, especially given the heighten anti-China rhetoric from the Trump administration in recent months.
 

AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
The timing of the national security legislation by China is very interesting, why now? I had thought that the HK riots have pretty much died down in recent months with the exception of a few.

China must have known that U.S./U.K. would respond to this strongly, especially given the heighten anti-China rhetoric from the Trump administration in recent months.


Hong Kong is just an excuse for plans to overall to stop China as a whole. All this would be happening with or without Hong Kong being an issue. The US has to hide behind things like Hong Kong because if they just did it without cause, the world would look at the US as the bad guy for disrupting the world because the US feels insecure of its position in the future.
 

Canuck place

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Registered Member
The timing of the national security legislation by China is very interesting, why now? I had thought that the HK riots have pretty much died down in recent months with the exception of a few.

China must have known that U.S./U.K. would respond to this strongly, especially given the heighten anti-China rhetoric from the Trump administration in recent months.

Yeah I'm wondering the same thing. Why put fuel on the fire right now?

But then I thought it would be a strategic mistake or a necessary move depending on how you look at it.

Obviously the west will pounce on this issue hard. But if China doesn't push this law now, HK legislation is up for elections in September and we know that the pro democracy camp and the west will fight hard to get those seats, if they get it, there will be a more independence leaning govt in HK affecting Chinese interests. Thus this needed to be done beforehand.

Secondly, with most of the world embroiled in coronovirus, economies are getting hit hard. China's economy seems to be the first on its way to recovering, they have the most 'relative' advantage versus the US and EU. Pushing this through now may make it harder for those other counties to enact economic retaliation.

The US can take away HK special status at any time but given that China economy is relatively stronger, it may not change investment in HK that much so it could be more symbolic and psychological than substance. US can't tariff China anymore due to the phase 1 deal and they need China to buy farm products especially after coronovirus. If US initiate more tarriffs then they break the deal and China will stop buying US producrs. US can certainly use the money right now.

US has already put a lot of pressure on China tech companies. US can't start a war for HK. So from china's POV, this maybe the best, and necessary time to push this through.
 

muddie

Junior Member
Hong Kong is just an excuse for plans to overall to stop China as a whole. All this would be happening with or without Hong Kong being an issue. The US has to hide behind things like Hong Kong because if they just did it without cause, the world would look at the US as the bad guy for disrupting the world because the US feels insecure of its position in the future.

I agree China needed to pass this sooner or later, but the timing is interesting.

Wouldn't this have been more effective late last year when the thugs are at their worst?
 

PiSigma

"the engineer"
I agree China needed to pass this sooner or later, but the timing is interesting.

Wouldn't this have been more effective late last year when the thugs are at their worst?
The two sessions last year was before the riots, so no new laws can be passed. It's a national law, so need parliament to be in session.
 
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