The political will, strategy, and tactics are all lacking both in the government overall and in the HK police.
Hong-Kong Protests
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The political will, strategy, and tactics are all lacking both in the government overall and in the HK police.
You need to lighten up. Jura. There's nothing "racist" about what he said. He is only describing what happened in the US during segregation! And that he is proposing segregation for part of the population on Hong Kong but not on the ground of race.
Please stop reporting people every two minutes!
Lol i've blocked him so I don't even see his posts. But did he just report me for being racist for calling out racism?
Whatever. If that is how you feel, so be it.
I didn't assume anything. The HK government has talked about a special investigation of this incident for months now. Did it get any traction? Somehow you think the government can marvelous spin this and gather support when it can't even refute rumors. Let me remind you most major HK media support the rioters not the HK government. The rioters and oppositions only interest in investigating and prosecuting the HK police. Is the HK government going to give it to them?
The special investigation can be done in many ways. Nobody is against the HK government from starting an investigation of this incident. But there has to be a purpose for any special investigation. If it is just a general investigation of this incident, then the rioters and the media would discredit it. If it is an investigation of the police, then the HKPF would not take it kindly. For every so called impartial special investigation in HK, they have always hire foreign experts to give it more credibility. If anyone thinks this would end well for the HKPF, they are dreaming.
Not only it is an option but it is also a statement. A statement to the rioters and the foreign agents that the central government has the will to do whatever it take to maintain control and order.
Honestly, if that's accomplishing their goal, that's an incredibly low hanging fruit. If TI is not their purpose, then it's just a joke. Like what is their long term plan even without Independence? Tsai's New Southbound Policy is pretty much seen as a joke. Belt & Road is aiming at many of the same countries with a lot more money on hand. Brain drain is a continued concern as top PRC institutions (academically and corporate) are luring Taiwanese with big paycheques.
Her failure to improve the economic situation will cause the political climate to further deteriorate. Yes, she is being helped by well-timed protesting in HK, but it doesn't solve her fundamental problems, the same problems that got Han elected in Kaohsiung. Today it is veteran's pensions, what is it tomorrow? Healthcare cuts? Education cuts? Probably the two biggest issues next to economy in any country since they have a big impact on quality of life. If quality of life declines, and mainland is offering greater economic opportunities, it will create a permanent downward spiral as the most able to improve the domestic economy leave. I admittedly have no statistical evidence, but I have read countless articles of young Taiwanese EEs start off in Taiwan and then decamp for SZ because of the bigger opportunities (more factories, more connections, more suppliers, etc.)
It is not kicking the can as I said for the proposal to work, it requires amnesty for HKPF too, just like the ICAC strike.
I get the feeling you are afraid the opposition will continue to unleash the Black Guards for their glorious HK Revolution to destroy the 4 olds (Old government, old people, old schools, old economy). Honestly, if the opposition is willing to do this every time, there is nothing you can do immediately. It takes time.
Reading PanAsian's last post, I think he has the same idea as me. As above, if Donald Tsang and his anti-establishment allies dig such a deep hole, a skillful politician should be able to create an advantage.
In regards to brainwashing, if parents and teachers are silly enough to allow their kids to drink the anti-PRC Kool-Aid, how has no politician been able to point out what a failure the education system has been? The failures are obvious, all you have to do is make one powerpoint slide (Famous global tech companies HQ in SZ: DJI, Huawei, Tencent, BYD. Famous global tech companies HQ in HK: none)
I totally agree with you here. Their long term goal is waiting for CCP to collapse and China to breakup into pieces. It is not like Chen Shui-bian and Tsai Ing-wen don't have the chance to declare independent. Lee Teng Hui's theory is that Taiwan needs to develop a separate and completely different identity and wait til China collapse.
Taiwan is dying a slow death. Just hope Tsai wouldn't do anything stupid to provoke China.
It is kicking the can down the road if you proposed amnesty. The umbrella revolution happened in 2014, the Mong Kok riot happened in 2016 and then the 2019 protests. You can see the protest has evolved more violence each time. If you grant them amnesty now, then the next protest they would start killing people. Not one or two people but a lot of people and police would get killed.
Look at Xinjiang, the CCP has been tolerated and granted many people amnesty. They invited "moderates" to join the government institutions. They funded the building of many new mosques. Did it placate the radicals. The answer is no. Not only the radicals didn't get placated. They used the opportunities to infiltrate the government institutions. In the end, the radicals started killing people. And the moderates helped the radicals, funded the radicals, and supported the radicals. Sounds familiar.
I'm not sure how reliable this is. But according to this poster. The ppan-democratic group are pretty revengful!
For those don't read Chinese, it basically saying they proposed the next round of pay increase for civil servant should exclude the Police!
民主黨班曱甴立法會議員竟然要求公務員加人工不包括香港警察！
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民主黨正一垃圾
For those don't read Chinese, it basically saying they proposed the next round of pay increase for civil servant should exclude the Police!
民主黨班曱甴立法會議員竟然要求公務員加人工不包括香港警察！
#%=&#$&
民主黨正一垃圾
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Mainland should offer jobs to HK police.