Hong-Kong Protests


enroger

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Which planet are you from, my friend! You said "Social engineering warfare, social media warfare, mass psychology manipulation ...etc, I bet CCP haven't even heard of those things."
I couldn't believe my eyes, lol. Tell me, what does CCP stands for.
Okay, I'll concede that CCP was perhaps once good at those things, but they have obviously lost touch of it. It is safe to say their propaganda game is so far behind the US it is not even funny.
 

solarz

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I've never understood this so called "Color Revolution" until I'm seeing one up close. Those rioters are extremely well organized, far too organized for them to be just a bunch of disgruntled citizen, too organized even for them to be organized by certain political party. Their operational sophistication just about match one that is orchestrated by an intelligence agency, they are targeting key city infrastructure now.

It is clear to me that their goal was never about getting some sort of concession from the government, if the government agree to some of the terms then the rioters will simply come up with more and more ridiculous demand, reconciliation is impossible because they don't want any.

This is not how someone would act to bring about change, this is how someone would act if all they want to achieve is maximum disruption. Simple analysis in motives and means will tell you who is really behind this all.

It is funny that just when China is almost about to achieve parity with US in terms of conventional war fighting abilities, a whole new form of warfare emerged where China is again light years behind the US. Social engineering warfare, social media warfare, mass psychology manipulation ...etc, I bet CCP haven't even heard of those things.
What the US and its allies are doing in HK right now is akin to the Tet Offensive during the Vietnam War, where the Vietcong rose up en mass to attack the Americans. While it was a public relations success, the Tet Offensive was disastrous in military terms, with the Vietcong was effectively wiped out.

Unlike the Americans however, the PLA will never withdraw from Hong Kong, and the Chinese people are united behind CCP leadership.

This HK insurgency is not some new form of warfare, it is an act of desperation by an organization that is seeing its influence fading away.
 
Okay, I'll concede that CCP was perhaps once good at those things, but they have obviously lost touch of it. It is safe to say their propaganda game is so far behind the US it is not even funny.
I dunno about that either. The CCP has much much greater support in China than the GOP has support in the USA. Hong Kong is such a low-hanging fruit that it's basically already rotting on the ground from an identity crisis and several other mental problems left behind by the British. Even though it is technically true, in spirit, it is wrong to believe that American propaganda is so superior that it turned a city of Chinese people against China. Those people were already badly infected with the wrong ideas to begin with starting from many decades ago. Despite their ethnicity, it is China that begins fighting the uphill battle here and China will ultimately make the city just like any other Chinese city. Today, many Hong Kongers who used to be moderately pro-democracy are looking to Beijing after seeing what democratic ideas make people do in Hong Kong.
 

enroger

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What the US and its allies are doing in HK right now is akin to the Tet Offensive during the Vietnam War, where the Vietcong rose up en mass to attack the Americans. While it was a public relations success, the Tet Offensive was disastrous in military terms, with the Vietcong was effectively wiped out.

Unlike the Americans however, the PLA will never withdraw from Hong Kong, and the Chinese people are united behind CCP leadership.

This HK insurgency is not some new form of warfare, it is an act of desperation by an organization that is seeing its influence fading away.
I don't think the perpetrator's goal is about actual political change, anyone with half a brain knows it is impossible. Their goal as I've said is to create maximum disruption, make it as painful for China as possible, destroy Hong Kong's economic basis, damage China's international reputation etc.

Hong Kong is just a side show in the grand scheme of things, therefore all this is not meant as a killing blow but a distraction. In a game of chess you don't just focus on the queen, a pawn is pawn you know.
 

enroger

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I dunno about that either. The CCP has much much greater support in China than the GOP has support in the USA. Hong Kong is such a low-hanging fruit that it's basically already rotting on the ground from an identity crisis and several other mental problems left behind by the British. Even though it is technically true, in spirit, it is wrong to believe that American propaganda is so superior that it turned a city of Chinese people against China. Those people were already badly infected with the wrong ideas to begin with starting from many decades ago. Despite their ethnicity, it is China that begins fighting the uphill battle here and China will ultimately make the city just like any other Chinese city. Today, many Hong Kongers who used to be moderately pro-democracy are looking to Beijing after seeing what democratic ideas make people do in Hong Kong.
I agree with you on all point, Hong Kong is indeed a low hanging fruit. But it is working isn't it?
 
Rick would want me to comment beyond saying it's interesting, but what should I say when I don't have a smartphone (really):
Apple slammed for approving app that allegedly helps HK rioters
Source:Global Times Published: 2019/10/7 19:53:40
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Chinese netizens are calling on Apple to delete an app that it once said encourages activity that is not legal and is allegedly being used by
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ers to report real-time locations of Hong Kong police, a function which is believed to help rioters escape arrest.

The app HKmap.live is the mobile phone version of a website that claims to help users avoid so-called "sudden accidents," according to the website of the app developer BackHK.

The Global Times found that, instead of marking riot sites, the app provides detailed information on police deployment including how many police vehicles are stationed at a location.

Both the app and the website mark police officer with the emoji of dog, which is the rioters' frequently used insulting name for Hong Kong police.

Web users believe the app was intended to help Hong Kong rioters escape arrest. Some also worried that rioters could use the app to locate and attack the police.

The App Store once rejected the app as it "facilitates, enables and encourages an activity that is not legal" and it "allowes users to evade law enforcement," Bloomberg reported on Friday.

The Global Times also found that the Apple App Store Review Guidelines require app developers to not "engage in harassment of any kind."

Apple on Friday approved the app for sale in the Hong Kong region, according to Bloomberg. The app was not available in the Chinese mainland App Store.

Zhi Zhenfeng, a legal expert with the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences in Beijing, told the Global Times on Monday that Apple approving the app shows the company is consistently promoting a political agenda in line with the West.

The Global Times found that Apple lists Macao, Hong Kong and the island of Taiwan separately, without any reference to China's sovereignty.

"Listing SARs separately and approving the map app are essentially the same — touching China's bottom line but bypassing legal risks," Zhi said.

Chinese iPhone users left several hundred messages expressing their discontent with the app developer and Apple on the App Store's comment page.

"Apple touched Chinese people's bottom line," an iPhone user commented.

Apple did not reply to a request for comment by Global Times as of press time.

Photo: A screenshot of Twitter account of the HKmap.live
 

jimmyjames30x30

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Okay, I'll concede that CCP was perhaps once good at those things, but they have obviously lost touch of it. It is safe to say their propaganda game is so far behind the US it is not even funny.
First of all, no.
The CCP will always be better at these than the West. The first reason you would think it is not is because they are already absolutely dominant in their home base the Mainland China, so you don't see them in actions. The second reason you would think it is not is because the CCP has not yet unleashed any of that in Hong Kong yet. The CCP is better at this because the CCP is fundamentally different from the governments/political-parties in the West. They are not the same kind of thing.

The CCP is NOT the same as the Communist Party of the USSR, they are very different. The US can ONLY do their damage in these type of new social warfare in a society that is already deeply westernized AND having an weak and ineffectual government. This would mean that Mainland China is immune to such.
 

solarz

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I don't think the perpetrator's goal is about actual political change, anyone with half a brain knows it is impossible. Their goal as I've said is to create maximum disruption, make it as painful for China as possible, destroy Hong Kong's economic basis, damage China's international reputation etc.

Hong Kong is just a side show in the grand scheme of things, therefore all this is not meant as a killing blow but a distraction. In a game of chess you don't just focus on the queen, a pawn is pawn you know.
Yet their maximum disruption is really not all that painful for China, strategically speaking. Emotionally yes, it is very painful, but all that achieves is the Chinese people stand more united than ever. Where are the Chinese "democracy activists" these days? Why are we not hearing them condemning the CCP for "human rights violations" in HK?

So what does it say when Western forces can reduce HK to a shell of its former self, and the rest of China is virtually unaffected?

I think it speaks to China's resiliency.
 
I agree with you on all point, Hong Kong is indeed a low hanging fruit. But it is working isn't it?
Working at catalyzing chaos in a group that's already prone to it, but we are not contending that. We are contending your point that the USA is far superior in propaganda and mind manipulation, which I said that the current events in Hong Kong cannot serve as evidence for. In Hong Kong, the CIA is simply manifesting the symptoms of a disease that's already there. Beijing's goal now is to use the symptoms to better understand the cure the disease, a task vastly more difficult than attacking a rotten fruit but nonetheless, in line with all of the magnanimous tasks that Beijing has accomplished since 1949.
 

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