Hong-Kong Protests


supersnoop

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I have a theory on this, maybe others have some thoughts.
I would bet that many of the "pro-democracy" supporters overseas are local-born Chinese millennials. I would bet extra that they have almost no knowledge of Chinese history and are also not literate at all in Chinese.

I must admit, I am not fully literate myself, but I know enough to read a menu, headlines, that sort of thing. I suspect that the lack of knowledge means that they do not fully appreciate being "Chinese". To put it simply, if you aren't interested in your own language, its easy to not care about the real history (and not just the eurocentric version).
 

jimmyjames30x30

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For some strange reason, Trump keeps hiring these warmongers as advisors, then then firing them when they actually, you know, warmonger. It's almost as if Trump wants to cast himself as a villain even though he's not really one.

You know what this reminds me off? Vince McMahon from WWE. Vince sets up this Evil Boss persona for the purpose of entertaining wrestling fans, and like Trump, he often makes these outrageous statements designed to get the fans riled so they will cheer a face wrestler. The only thing missing in this analogy is a face guy to counter Trump's heel.

Considering that Trump had a guest appearance on the WWE once, I wouldn't be surprised if he's applying what he learned there in the White House. Trump's behavior makes no sense when you view it in a political context, but they make a lot of sense when you view it in an entertainment context.
Bannon's kind are nothing but opportunistic demagogue. He understands the general American public. He understands how gullible they are. He understands their patriotic zeal. And he manipulates his audience by uttering sensationalist rhetoric about actual military tactics and technicalities that are extremely complex and thus would seems counter-intuitive to his intended audience. He offers "the peasant's wisdom" on these complex matters, which the general public would perceive as logical and straightforward. And he is succeeding because the right-wing of the MSM has successfully use their propaganda to bang into the head of the average american this message: the educated elites, academia and the professionals are less competent than an average blue collared working class AMERICAN like you and me.
 
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jimmyjames30x30

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For some strange reason, Trump keeps hiring these warmongers as advisors, then then firing them when they actually, you know, warmonger. It's almost as if Trump wants to cast himself as a villain even though he's not really one.

You know what this reminds me off? Vince McMahon from WWE. Vince sets up this Evil Boss persona for the purpose of entertaining wrestling fans, and like Trump, he often makes these outrageous statements designed to get the fans riled so they will cheer a face wrestler. The only thing missing in this analogy is a face guy to counter Trump's heel.

Considering that Trump had a guest appearance on the WWE once, I wouldn't be surprised if he's applying what he learned there in the White House. Trump's behavior makes no sense when you view it in a political context, but they make a lot of sense when you view it in an entertainment context.
Just how stupid is the whole thing with Bannon! He literally says to his audience something like: "I know China very well, I have been to Beijing and Shanghai several times." and expect people to just accept that somehow he is qualified to offer some radical and dangerous policy suggestions on how to deal with China that are not even peer reviewed. I mean, if a person does something similar to me, I would call him a scam. That's a typical scammer's approach, not even a great one.
 

jimmyjames30x30

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For some strange reason, Trump keeps hiring these warmongers as advisors, then then firing them when they actually, you know, warmonger. It's almost as if Trump wants to cast himself as a villain even though he's not really one.

You know what this reminds me off? Vince McMahon from WWE. Vince sets up this Evil Boss persona for the purpose of entertaining wrestling fans, and like Trump, he often makes these outrageous statements designed to get the fans riled so they will cheer a face wrestler. The only thing missing in this analogy is a face guy to counter Trump's heel.

Considering that Trump had a guest appearance on the WWE once, I wouldn't be surprised if he's applying what he learned there in the White House. Trump's behavior makes no sense when you view it in a political context, but they make a lot of sense when you view it in an entertainment context.
I call Bannon a scammer, because he said something like "been to Shanghai and Beijing several times" to imply that he knows China enough to know how to deal with China better than those real China-experts who have totally different ideas about China.

It's like a non-Chinese person try to sell a recipe book on Chinese food he wrote, and put in his introduction: "I am not a cook, but I know Chinese food, because I've been to my Chinese friend's place several times and went to his kitchen to look at how he made food a few times." Would you actually keep reading this book? For the most American, this is perhaps enough, because they would perceive this guys as having more knowledge about Chinese food than they do.

Now imagine a country, in which the average person trust a scammer like that more than professional cooks that has gone through strict culinary training and education, on top of having years of experience running a successful restaurant business in Chinese food. This is the kind of environment that enables Bannon the scammer to earn a decent living, and even enjoys months holding a high positions in a top government position.
 
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solarz

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I have a theory on this, maybe others have some thoughts.
I would bet that many of the "pro-democracy" supporters overseas are local-born Chinese millennials. I would bet extra that they have almost no knowledge of Chinese history and are also not literate at all in Chinese.

I must admit, I am not fully literate myself, but I know enough to read a menu, headlines, that sort of thing. I suspect that the lack of knowledge means that they do not fully appreciate being "Chinese". To put it simply, if you aren't interested in your own language, its easy to not care about the real history (and not just the eurocentric version).
Most of them are children of those who left Hong Kong during the pre-1997 exodus wave.
 
For some strange reason, Trump keeps hiring these warmongers as advisors, then then firing them when they actually, you know, warmonger. It's almost as if Trump wants to cast himself as a villain even though he's not really one.

You know what this reminds me off? Vince McMahon from WWE. Vince sets up this Evil Boss persona for the purpose of entertaining wrestling fans, and like Trump, he often makes these outrageous statements designed to get the fans riled so they will cheer a face wrestler. The only thing missing in this analogy is a face guy to counter Trump's heel.

Considering that Trump had a guest appearance on the WWE once, I wouldn't be surprised if he's applying what he learned there in the White House. Trump's behavior makes no sense when you view it in a political context, but they make a lot of sense when you view it in an entertainment context.
Man, I was doing a fast read-through and for a second, I thought your post said Trump hired Vince MacMahon for defense secretary LOLOL
 

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I've never understood this so called "Color Revolution" until I'm seeing one up close. Those rioters are extremely well organized, far too organized for them to be just a bunch of disgruntled citizen, too organized even for them to be organized by certain political party. Their operational sophistication just about match one that is orchestrated by an intelligence agency, they are targeting key city infrastructure now.

It is clear to me that their goal was never about getting some sort of concession from the government, if the government agree to some of the terms then the rioters will simply come up with more and more ridiculous demand, reconciliation is impossible because they don't want any.

This is not how someone would act to bring about change, this is how someone would act if all they want to achieve is maximum disruption. Simple analysis in motives and means will tell you who is really behind this all.

It is funny that just when China is almost about to achieve parity with US in terms of conventional war fighting abilities, a whole new form of warfare emerged where China is again light years behind the US. Social engineering warfare, social media warfare, mass psychology manipulation ...etc, I bet CCP haven't even heard of those things.
 

Jura

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thought previously (last months) there had been no protests in the beginning of a workweek, no? now
Hong Kong protests: tear gas, arrests and train stations trashed as anger over new anti-mask law rolls in fourth straight day
  • Hundreds gather in Tai Koo, Mong Kok and Tseung Kwan O, setting up roadblocks in some spots, while riot police fire tear gas and non-lethal rounds
  • Student and an unemployed woman granted bail by a court after they became the first to be charged under the mask ban
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solarz

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The whole HK color revolution and China's muted response is a wake up call to any Chinese who think China is powerful. Will the US, the current superpower, allows foreign powers to brazenly fund and incite riot in its own territory without expel diplomats? No way! Will the US allows the mobs to burn the city to ashes, attacks the law enforcement, and beat the crap out of people who disagree with them for months because it is afraid of international repercussions? No way! Will the US be completely mute on international stage? Will the US continue seeking cooperation and bilateral talk when it knew the specific country is seeking to destable its society and regime changing its government? Must be kidding. Hong Kong situation and how China handles it exposed its lack of true power. There is a long way to go. While China should hold her head high, she should not be complacent and illusional.
China is #2 right now, and when you're #2, you don't do the same things as #1.

Since the fall of the USSR, the US has been doing things its way for 20 years. However, you only need to spend a few minutes to understand that the US has lost a lot of influence since it led a coalition into Afghanistan. As recent as a 3 years ago, the US was using pawns to apply pressure on China in the SCS. Today, it is forced to spend its own military resources.

What's happening in HK is very depressing right now, but I believe Beijing is waiting for the right moment to intervene. Timing is critical. The current unrest is like a fire, and anti-China sentiment is the fuel. Extinguish the fire too early, and there will still be anti-China sentiment smoldering under the ashes, waiting to be fanned into flames again at the first opportunity. Beijing needs to wait for that window of opportunity when the anti-China sentiment has burned itself out, but before the house collapses completely, to maximize the long term effects of an intervention.
 

jimmyjames30x30

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I've never understood this so called "Color Revolution" until I'm seeing one up close. Those rioters are extremely well organized, far too organized for them to be just a bunch of disgruntled citizen, too organized even for them to be organized by certain political party. Their operational sophistication just about match one that is orchestrated by an intelligence agency, they are targeting key city infrastructure now.

It is clear to me that their goal was never about getting some sort of concession from the government, if the government agree to some of the terms then the rioters will simply come up with more and more ridiculous demand, reconciliation is impossible because they don't want any.

This is not how someone would act to bring about change, this is how someone would act if all they want to achieve is maximum disruption. Simple analysis in motives and means will tell you who is really behind this all.

It is funny that just when China is almost about to achieve parity with US in terms of conventional war fighting abilities, a whole new form of warfare emerged where China is again light years behind the US. Social engineering warfare, social media warfare, mass psychology manipulation ...etc, I bet CCP haven't even heard of those things.
Which planet are you from, my friend! You said "Social engineering warfare, social media warfare, mass psychology manipulation ...etc, I bet CCP haven't even heard of those things."
I couldn't believe my eyes, lol. Tell me, what does CCP stands for. I don't mean to brag or smear the CCP, but do you actually know what the second "C" of CCP stands. Do you even know the history of the PRC?

There are nothing new in what you are saying. If there is a country more experienced in those so-called new method of warfare you are talking about, it would be the People's Republic of China. The only edge the US has over China in these are not the warfare themselves, but the fact that in Hong Kong, the US and Western media are allowed to have a much more dominant voice in a institutional matter.
In any other places where the western media does NOT enjoy institutional advantage. They have little success in any of those warfare.
 
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