Hong-Kong Protests

Janiz said:

lol

If those numbers would be true I would say that in reality it's like 1:10+.

You know, you can go to prison for protesting against CCP and for protesting in it's support the only question will be how many points can you get from this?

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manqiangrexue said:

I'm waiting for all the rioters to go to prison, which is what's supposed to happen in every country for disturbing the peace, inciting unrest, destruction of public property and assault on police officers/private citizens. Unfortunately they don't seem too concerned about that. I mean they only live there while you get to read Japanese and American media so certainly they probably don't know as much about China as you do, right? LOL

Check against logic before posting to avoid immediate humiliation.

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Josh Luo said:

You may be noble enough to make huge material sacrifices for your country and a political system you believe in. That's you being a good citizen. But what about the corrupt officials and cronies running the CCP system? What about the corrupt officials who take the people's money into their own pockets and then store them in places like HK's banks, US, UK, Australia, while their sons and daughter live like kings and queens abroad? Why are Chinese citizens remain loyal to officials who are clearly kleptocrats and have no interests in caring about the wellbeing of ordinary PRC citizens? So my question is simple, before blaming HK protesters for violence and betray, are Xi and his lieutenants good citizens themselves, or do they also steal from the people and subsequently buy huge mansions overseas for their kids?

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manqiangrexue said:

This is just further evidence of Western meddling and stirring up riots. I have always hated religion, all of them, because they simply spread lies and are divorced from evidence. There is no good from any Christianity spreading to China.

But the good thing is, Christianity is very weak in China and the groups are very small. Among the small groups, the belief is not strong. From my interactions with Chinese Christians, they mostly like the atmosphere of brother-ship and being kind to each other with hardly anyone willing to make an actual sacrifice to prove their faith such as in tithing. The most they'll do is bring a dish to the church potluck. They treat Sunday Church like a big get-together to see their friends and they don't go if they're busy. The desire to live a prosperous and rewarding life and a successful career by far out-shines any Christianity not only in China but in overseas Chinese populations as well. When wealth and religion conflict, Chinese people always choose wealth. I so far do not see the Christianity movement in China being a significant threat to the stability of Hong Kong.

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Gatekeeper said:

Speaking from personal experience with my family and friends both here where I live and in Hong Kong.

Bear in mind no one has ever done survey on this. But here goes. From my experience, in my own circle, by far the majority is against these protestors!

I would say in Hong Kong, the yellow camp as its known for the protestors is still minority. Mainly comes from young students, intellectuals and professionals.

The majority are silent because they are AFRAID! My aunty whos elderly for example talks to me on whatsup, and she said she is afraid to speak badly against demostrators, because some of her friends are in the yellow camp. And as such, whenever she and others like her raise the subject of current situation, they get shouted down. And she hears other get worse treatments.

So there is a climate of fear. So much for democracy and freedom the yellow camp keeps harping on about.

Now before anyone jumps down my throat, and calling me out for writing propoganda. Etc.

All I can say is what I 'm writing is the truth that was made known to me. I certainly have no issues with what my aunty said.(she is like a mother to me). It may or may not be representative of the situation. But its one person's experience none the less.

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Gatekeeper said:

In my personal experience with relgious people (mainly Christians) in Hong Kong is that they, out of all the sub-groups of people, HATE CCP China the most.

When I was a student, I had many hours of arguing with Christians students from Hong Kong. They, all hated red China with a vengeance. Mainly because Red China is supposed to be non-belivers!

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Josh Luo said:

Yes, and I have never denied Western meddling in HK. However, the root of the conflict is that HKers do not want to become part of China. That's a headache for both HK and China.

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supercat said:

Maybe they should leave Hong Kong? I'm sure some people in China do not want to be Chinese either. It should not be a major problem, because both Hong Kong and China have a free immigration policy.

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AssassinsMace said:

The US Congress can only approve a state or part of the US seceding from the US. Guess what Beijing says...

Live with it Hong Kong or get out! Does China get to decide what happens in the US? No.

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Hong Kong must not rely on the police alone to restore calm to the city as the current impasse requires a political solution that should start with the formal withdrawal of the extradition bill that sparked the crisis, the chairman of the police watchdog has said.

Senior lawyer Anthony Neoh SC, who heads the Independent Police Complaints Council (IPCC), also did not rule out having a commission of inquiry at a later stage, once other restorative steps have been taken, including bringing about reconciliation.

“I don’t think the police by themselves can deal with the situation,” he said in an exclusive interview with the Post. His assessment stands in stark contrast to the brave face being put up by the city’s top police officers, who have expressed confidence in doing what the government has asked of them.

Neoh said police had been placed in the invidious position of enforcing law and order, and then having to cope with the fallout from Hongkongers who sympathise with the protesters.

He noted that if the police thought laws were being broken, they would have to deal with it. “But then, the more they deal with it, the more antipathy they create at the moment. And it becomes a vicious circle as we can all see. Let’s call a spade a spade on this one,” he said.

And without a political solution, Hong Kong would face either a war of attrition or spiralling conflict, he went on.

Hong Kong must not rely on the police alone to restore calm to the city as the current impasse requires a political solution that should start with the formal withdrawal of the extradition bill that sparked the crisis, the chairman of the police watchdog has said.

Senior lawyer Anthony Neoh SC, who heads the Independent Police Complaints Council (IPCC), also did not rule out having a commission of inquiry at a later stage, once other restorative steps have been taken, including bringing about reconciliation.

“I don’t think the police by themselves can deal with the situation,” he said in an exclusive interview with the Post. His assessment stands in stark contrast to the brave face being put up by the city’s top police officers, who have expressed confidence in doing what the government has asked of them.

Neoh said police had been placed in the invidious position of enforcing law and order, and then having to cope with the fallout from Hongkongers who sympathise with the protesters.

He noted that if the police thought laws were being broken, they would have to deal with it. “But then, the more they deal with it, the more antipathy they create at the moment. And it becomes a vicious circle as we can all see. Let’s call a spade a spade on this one,” he said.

And without a political solution, Hong Kong would face either a war of attrition or spiralling conflict, he went on.

The decision on the solution must from both the central government and the Hong Kong administration of Chief Executive Carrie Lam Cheng Yuet-ngor, he added.

“Every time I see the chief executive, I mention to her, you need a political solution,” he said. “She agrees, and she says she’s working on it.”

On Lam and Beijing’s insistence that negotiations can only start after protesters stop the violence, Neoh said: “This will have to be a rough-and-ready line.”

Even if there are some minor radical actions, and the overall situation is peaceful, it could be time to “draw a line in the sand” and offer a political solution, he said.

Speaking over the weekend, he added that if there was peace during these past few days, it was perhaps time to start reviewing other options on the table.

Top of the protesters’ list of demands is the formal withdrawal of the now-abandoned extradition bill – a demand that Neoh described as “eminently reasonable”.

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