H-20 bomber (with H-X, JH-XX)

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ACuriousPLAFan said:
How about no, and just keep waiting in the meantime. We've wasted enough forum pages already.
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It's not a waste; there are important points to be made.

For instance, the models of the H-20 we've been shown AREN'T actually flying wing aircraft.

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If you look at the shape, this is a BWB cranked kite planform, not a traditional flying wing, because of the discontinuity between the LERX of the nose and the main wing. It's not THAT good for stealth, but the overall design enhances payload, and also reduces drag, especially subsonic and supersonic drag.

Same applies to this image:

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The other point to be made is the presence of. the GJ-X, which seems to be comparably large and is likely a more cost effective bomber than the manned H-20.

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The presence of the GJ-X really complicates the H-20's role, if you're expecting it to be a traditional stealth bomber.

You can still argue that you still need a manned bomber for the nuclear role, but nukes are quite small these days (the megaton class B-83 only weighs about a ton), and if you just want a subsonic nuclear bomber, why bother with a massive quad large engine bomber for that role?

IMO, if in fact the H-20 designation is gone, it's likely because the H-20 role no longer exists.
 
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Inst said:
It's not a waste; there are important points to be made.

For instance, the models of the H-20 we've been shown AREN'T actually flying wing aircraft.

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If you look at the shape, this is a BWB cranked kite planform, not a traditional flying wing, because of the discontinuity between the LERX of the nose and the main wing. It's not THAT good for stealth, but the overall design enhances payload, and also reduces drag, especially subsonic and supersonic drag.

Same applies to this image:

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The other point to be made is the presence of. the GJ-X, which seems to be comparably large and is likely a more cost effective bomber than the manned H-20.

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The presence of the GJ-X really complicates the H-20's role, if you're expecting it to be a traditional stealth bomber.

You can still argue that you still need a manned bomber for the nuclear role, but nukes are quite small these days (the megaton class B-83 only weighs about a ton), and if you just want a subsonic nuclear bomber, why bother with a massive quad large engine bomber for that role?

IMO, if in fact the H-20 designation is gone, it's likely because the H-20 role no longer exists.
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Inst, stop this nonsense and it is nonsense in the same way You insisted for years for the development of a tailless J-20 … and by the way, we haven‘t seen a H-20 yet! All we have seen are some fan-made artworks and models wrong were reused by some as a H-20!
 
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Deino said:
Inst, stop this nonsense and it is nonsense in the same way You insisted for years for the development of a tailless J-20 … and by the way, we haven‘t seen a H-20 yet! All we have seen are some fan-made artworks and models wrong were reused by some as a H-20!
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Did we decide that the H-20 wind tunnel models were photoshops / man-made? As far as I can tell, they were leaks.
 
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00CuriousObserver said:
My head theory: it'll happen in the next few months before the Xi-Trump meeting as a 下马威 / "show of dominance". And we will have less lead-up to it than we did for the six gens.
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Maybe-when is the next major anniversary in the annals of the history of the CCP/PLA??
 
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@Deino

You posted the models yourself, in this thread, three years ago. It turns out that the planform matches substantially the GJ-X, which is a cranked kite planform itself.

End of the day, I don't think it's unreasonable to speculate that the H-20 isn't just going to be a B-2/B-21 clone, given that:

-The PLAAF has begun to move beyond the "match foreign abilities" to the "exceed foreign abilities" range
-The GJ-X looks like it can carry the non-nuclear element of PLAAF strategic bombing better than a manned bomber can
-There are like a dozen or more ways to spot a stealth bomber at reasonable ranges, forcing them to resort to stand-off weapons.

There is a very valid doctrinal, first-principles argument that if the H-20 is likely NOT to be primarily a tactical / strategic bomber, because the drones have that job filled quite well, you'll see something quite different from what we've been expecting.
 
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Inst said:
@Deino

You posted the models yourself, in this thread, three years ago. It turns out that the planform matches substantially the GJ-X, which is a cranked kite planform itself.

End of the day, I don't think it's unreasonable to speculate that the H-20 isn't just going to be a B-2/B-21 clone, given that:

-The PLAAF has begun to move beyond the "match foreign abilities" to the "exceed foreign abilities" range
-The GJ-X looks like it can carry the non-nuclear element of PLAAF strategic bombing better than a manned bomber can
-There are like a dozen or more ways to spot a stealth bomber at reasonable ranges, forcing them to resort to stand-off weapons.

There is a very valid doctrinal, first-principles argument that if the H-20 is likely NOT to be primarily a tactical / strategic bomber, because the drones have that job filled quite well, you'll see something quite different from what we've been expecting.
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Maybe I indeed posted them but - at least as far as I remember - I never claimed them to be a confirmed H-20 model - even more so since the model itself was rather crude and the teststand alone not a true wind tunnel.

And even if, three years passed by in the meantime and several initial claims and expectations were corrected in the meantime.

As such to claim today THIS IS A H-20 is highly likely plain wrong!
 
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