H-20 bomber (with H-X, JH-XX)

lcloo

Major
Other than B-52, TU-95 and H6 and B2, many of the post WW2 strategic heavy bombers, especially the supersonic bombers, had faced one problem after another, not due to their designs difficulties or technology but by the changes in opponents' advance in defense strategies and innovations in air defense weapons.

The Mach 3 XB-70 Valkyrie was cancelled due to advance in Soviet SAMs as well as ICBM in USA, the crash of the prototype was the last straw. UK's AVRO 30 supersonic bomber project was cancelled due to advancement in ICBM in UK, ditto for Soviet Union's super sonic M-50 bomber.

The unsophisticated looking and slow B-52 ironically is probably the most succesful bomber may be due to its flexibilty to change its roles from nuclear bomber to conventional bomber and again change to cruise missile carrier. PLAAF's H6 has similar changes as well.

B2 and B21 has advantage of stealth but their value is more on deterence which is mostly political as they can threaten opponents just by flying outside their territorial air space once in a while whenever political situations were getting tense.

Now, back to H20. I believe designing and building a stealth H20 should be no problem for China, but what value would H20 contribute to China's nuclear warfare roles, what kind of opponet's air defense against steath bomber would be like now and into the future, will it face the fate of XB-70 due to suddent appearance of new air defense weapon? Will it be so expensive to make and maintain as the B2 bombers? How to make H20 versatile to satisfy current situations and able to adapt to future changes?

In short will the design of H20 be really effective and worth the time. money and effort? This is probably the reason why project for H20 has been drag on for so long. If H20 does appear as suggested, that meant they probably found a solution to future proof this bomber design. It will be curios to see if it will be slow speed or a supersonic bomber.

My bet is we can see its shadow shapes in the current 6th gen prototypes and various next gen UCAVs.
 
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TK3600

Colonel
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I strongly disagree with the idea "H-20 is delayed because it might not be needed".
Now, back to H20. I believe designing and building a stealth H20 should be no problem for China, but what value would H20 contribute to China's nuclear warfare roles, what kind of opponet's air defense against steath bomber would be like now and into the future, will it face the fate of XB-70 due to suddent appearance of new air defense weapon? Will it be so expensive to make and maintain as the B2 bombers? How to make H20 versatile to satisfy current situations and able to adapt to future changes?

In short will the design of H20 be really effective and worth the time. money and effort? This is probably the reason why project for H20 has been drag on for so long. If H20 does appear as suggested, that meant they probably found a solution to future proof this bomber design. It will be curios to see if it will be slow speed or a supersonic bomber.
Whatever H-20 struggle with, H-6 will be worse. And evidently China continue to modernize, expand H-6 program despite its deficiency. The answer is clear: "A strategic ranged heavy missile carrier is necessary even on an outdated air frame design". So if H-6 is a worthy platform, a better platform of similar role is surely worth pursuing.

What actually happen is anyone's guess, but it will not be because "it might be unnecessary due to XXX technology advancement". It could be China just keep finding better designs that makes the old one obsolete. It could be technical hiccups. It could be anything except unworthy to pursue.
 

latenlazy

Brigadier
I strongly disagree with the idea "H-20 is delayed because it might not be needed".

Whatever H-20 struggle with, H-6 will be worse. And evidently China continue to modernize, expand H-6 program despite its deficiency. The answer is clear: "A strategic ranged heavy missile carrier is necessary even on an outdated air frame design". So if H-6 is a worthy platform, a better platform of similar role is surely worth pursuing.

What actually happen is anyone's guess, but it will not be because "it might be unnecessary due to XXX technology advancement". It could be China just keep finding better designs that makes the old one obsolete. It could be technical hiccups. It could be anything except unworthy to pursue.
What actually happened was that when the H-20 program first started they were building for a 5th gen level platform and by the time they were ready to test a design the expected delivery date would have put the initial operational introduction right around the time when 5th gen capabilities would begin to be phased out for 6th gen capabilities. This is very unideal for a large expensive bomber, so it made sense to go back to the drawing board. Not anymore complicated than that.
 
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bebops

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I thought orca said H20 is coming out this year. That H6 plane needs to be replaced badly. That plane is good for fighting WW2.

For future warfare you need a complete system, a bit of everything, combined into one. EW, spoofing, command center, have the ability to carry multiple hypersonic missiles, better stealth, long range, command loyalman drones
 

another505

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The question isnt there is a role for H20, a stealth strategic bomber. The better question is it better an unmanned stealth strategic bomber.

If they are launching albm or long range cruise missiles, it isnt too important to have humans.

Manned bomber would be be better if it is doing independent very long range strike as unmanned can lose signal or jammed, but that is a very risky mission that i am not sure worth it.
 

CMP

Captain
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The question isnt there is a role for H20, a stealth strategic bomber. The better question is it better an unmanned stealth strategic bomber.

If they are launching albm or long range cruise missiles, it isnt too important to have humans.

Manned bomber would be be better if it is doing independent very long range strike as unmanned can lose signal or jammed, but that is a very risky mission that i am not sure worth it.
It's worth it. Strategic bombers by virtue of the kind of missions they'll take on need to have a redundant human backup. Can't just rely purely on automation and remote guidance in case something goes wrong.
 

Maikeru

Colonel
Registered Member
I thought orca said H20 is coming out this year. That H6 plane needs to be replaced badly. That plane is good for fighting WW2.

For future warfare you need a complete system, a bit of everything, combined into one. EW, spoofing, command center, have the ability to carry multiple hypersonic missiles, better stealth, long range, command loyalman drones
Would you say the same about the B52, which USAF is planning on keeping until mid-century, about 90 years after it first entered service? There's a place for relatively cheap, unsophisticated bomb trucks and missile carriers. In PLAAF, that place is filled by H-6.
 

tamsen_ikard

Captain
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I thought orca said H20 is coming out this year. That H6 plane needs to be replaced badly. That plane is good for fighting WW2.

For future warfare you need a complete system, a bit of everything, combined into one. EW, spoofing, command center, have the ability to carry multiple hypersonic missiles, better stealth, long range, command loyalman drones
Other than stealth and range, H6 can already do everything you mentioned. Most modern capabilities are basically software and some electronics equipment. Drone control, command center are mainly software. EW and detection will strong RF hardware along with software. It will not be able to do everything with the same level because of the size of the airframe and lower power output, but it can fill most of the roles if needed. China has already fielded several Y-9 variants to do these functions though.

The biggest advantage that H-20 must bring will be stealth, size and range.
 

lcloo

Major
All things considered, I don't think we need to attach so much importance to the reports from CCTV and Xinhua News Agency, especially regarding such highly classified weapons. I even think that precisely because they were reported, we need to lower our expectations.
The abrupt changes in CCTV and Xinhua's behaviour in disclosing such news previously considered highly classified could be due to global miliatry events in 2025 and also Trump's expansionist ambitions (Greenland, Canada, Panama cannal, Venezuela and Western Hemisphere), his unpredictary personal behaviour and willingness to commit US militaries which previous US administration won't undertake.

Whether H20's appearance in 2026 is real or not, IMO China is using this news as opportunity to pass a message to Trump on China's new nuclear deterance option. A show of force will deter and avod giving a false impression that China is weak or unwilling to commit forces when threatened.

And also don't forget Japan's PM's talks on to intervene in Taiwan AR.

On purely military hardware side sans global politics, we need to wait and see if this news is true or not.
 
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