Gwadar: China's Naval Outpost in the Indian Ocean

Interestingly enough this seems to be going into the general direction of certain near future science fiction where its large military installations that become the main points of contention not just some random ridge of hill on the border.

i doubt PLAN intend to use the base when it is ready, they are like buying a parking spot first in case they need to move a taskforce there in future conflict, i see it as preparation work; depolying a standing force like is US is too political and wasteful. China main maritime interest is still in the pacific.

"It doesn't have to be a political party supporting re-unification with China."
how can you 're-unification' when you never was 'part of' in the 1st place? the only country singapore might unified with is Brunei (already allied) or Malaysia (if their racial policy changes to a more moderate ones). Singapore might be heavily chinese populated but the mindset is quite difference, while not fiecely independent at all, the people are used to racial and religious equality; and i dare say they have the highest level of that as unlike other state with minority, the minority here learn and spoke their own language, preserve their culture and religion. school even offer chances for some student to learn languages of other races. it is not uncommon to hear the local mix different languages into their convesation; english is prefered as it is the business language. TV culture also makes Singapore close to US culture (and japan pop culture). the reason why no party suggestion 're-unification' with China is because it is not a popular idea at all..

akinkhoo said:

"It doesn't have to be a political party supporting re-unification with China."
how can you 're-unification' when you never was 'part of' in the 1st place? the only country singapore might unified with is Brunei (already allied) or Malaysia (if their racial policy changes to a more moderate ones). Singapore might be heavily chinese populated but the mindset is quite difference, while not fiecely independent at all, the people are used to racial and religious equality; and i dare say they have the highest level of that as unlike other state with minority, the minority here learn and spoke their own language, preserve their culture and religion. school even offer chances for some student to learn languages of other races. it is not uncommon to hear the local mix different languages into their convesation; english is prefered as it is the business language. TV culture also makes Singapore close to US culture (and japan pop culture). the reason why no party suggestion 're-unification' with China is because it is not a popular idea at all..

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Please consider starting another post because singapore unification with china
has NOTHING whatsoever to do with Gwadar or Pakistan/Chinese plans for Gwadar.
Nor with any military matter.

Please don't ruin a perfectly good thread.

FreeAsia2000 said:

Please consider starting another post because singapore unification with china
has NOTHING whatsoever to do with Gwadar or Pakistan/Chinese plans for Gwadar.
Nor with any military matter.

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note that my original post was without the part you quoted at all. it was only added later and serve only to clearify the misinformation found on this thread, starting a new thread for clearification seem overreactive, i am not making a statement.

you did attach a post to voice a suggestion that is unrelated to the original post as well... so i am by the complain. sorry

akinkhoo said:

TV culture also makes Singapore close to US culture (and japan pop culture). the reason why no party suggestion 're-unification' with China is because it is not a popular idea at all..

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Oh please. Do you even know what TV culture in mainland China today is like? It's freakin' full of Korean, Japanese and American shows.

You either haven't met a lot of ethnic Chinese Singaporeans or haven't been to Shanghai.

And in the end it's all about money. When China becomes the largest economy in the region (which is coming up real soon), only a fool would not deal with it. A greater fool when you look Chinese and already speak Chinese, including using onomatopoeia exactly identical to dialects in Fujian province.

Singapore would probably never unite with China, but it will inevitably be a strong future ally to China, within our lifetime for sure.

singapore will "reunite" with china, but only after usa backstabs us. we are currently very friendly to america but it is always thought in schools that we are asian, not caucasian... when the time comes that we really need help and usa forsakes us will be the time we start to look to china... (ie south america? lol)

older generation like my grand ma and dad thinks that we should reunite, but newer gen just think of who we can benefit for more $$$ haha

anyway i can't really think of any stuff we import from usa except for planes... whereas almost everything else is "made in china".. economically china is becoming THE most dominant power in asia... even japan is feeling the pinch...

as for the main topic on gwadar, it is just another symbol of china's rising military to be the world's strongest military... all the bird-style rhetoric on how china's military can't sustain a base there is jus bs. the trade surplus with usa alone will be enuff to sustain like 100 gwadars

If China can treat the Uighurs well, then I think there is really no danger. Let them practice their religion don't throw them in jail and that's all. It would benefit Pakistan and China by stopping terrorism in both countries and would stop abduction of Chinese engineers. Not trying to start a flame war, but I just think it's a problem. But the PLAN would have no precense in Gwadar. If they did, then the US would get mad, so would India, and then Pakistan is sanctioned...... AGAIN!

Terrorism is a huge problem in Pakistan - but its due to private individuals who are getting their funds from external sources, otherwise they'd be no reason to destroy Gwader since its for their profit.

DPRKUnderground said:

If China can treat the Uighurs well, then I think there is really no danger. Let them practice their religion don't throw them in jail and that's all. It would benefit Pakistan and China by stopping terrorism in both countries and would stop abduction of Chinese engineers. Not trying to start a flame war, but I just think it's a problem. But the PLAN would have no precense in Gwadar. If they did, then the US would get mad, so would India, and then Pakistan is sanctioned...... AGAIN!

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Sanctioning Pakistan would backfire since Pakistan would just move closer to China.

crazyinsane105 said:

Sanctioning Pakistan would backfire since Pakistan would just move closer to China.

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True, but Pakistan's economy wouldn't be doing as well. I remember some stupid liberal who wrote a letter to the NY Times about the F-16 deal. She said that we should instead support their textile industry and that it will start an arms race. I laughed. First of all upgrades to F-16s at home will bring more $$$. Even if Pakistan moves closer to China, the US will move closer to India.