Gwadar: China's Naval Outpost in the Indian Ocean

Fairthought

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I definitely agree that China is setting up Gwadar as just one of a 'string of pearls.' It would be interesting to speculate on future Chinese pearls yet to be built.

My guess:

One in Iran
Two more in Myanmar (Burma)
At least two in Indonesia
One in Malaysia
One in Sudan
One in Somalia
Perhaps another, smaller port in Pakistan (just a sub pen)
One in Bangladesh
One in SouthAfrica
One in Comoros?
One in Maldives

It is interesting to note, that aside from Myanmar and South Africa, all of these countries are muslim nations. It seems to be a by-product of America's anti-muslim foreign policy. Or it just represents the fact that the persian gulf and the red sea are geographically surrounded by muslim countries. Either way, China needs to maintain good relations with muslim countries if it hopes to set up a string of pearls.

Of course, a string of pearls is expensive, and contructing/leasing these naval bases will be expensive. But China will have the money, and this list is by no means as long as the list of American naval bases around the world.

Will this instigate a naval arms race with India? That is already inevitable, so it is pointless to worry about it.

Will China have a large naval presence in the india ocean? Probably not. As earlier stated, China's navy is primarily focussed on Taiwan for the foreseeable future. Maybe after reunification...

Until then Chinese naval presence in the Indian ocean is to provide support and protection for Chinese commercial vessels along vital trade routes. But there will also be lots of submarine missions to prowl and test the ASW capabilities of the Indian Navy. India's ASW tech may have modernized, but that just induces China all the more to study India's ASW capabilities.


P.S. The greatest pearl of all would be the primarily chinese nation of Singapore. While the current political leadership is heavily in Britain's pocket, the people still consider their ethnicity to be Chinese. Perhaps after Chinese reunification with Taiwan there would be a new drive for 'reunification' with Singapore.
 
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FreeAsia2000

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Fairthought said:
One in Maldives


P.S. The greatest pearl of all would be the primarily chinese nation of Singapore. While the current political leadership is heavily in Britain's pocket, the people still consider their ethnicity to be Chinese. Perhaps after Chinese reunification with Taiwan there would be a new drive for 'reunification' with Singapore.

Fairthought Pakistan has already helped China to acquire a base there so your thought was correct.

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However any drive for unification with Singapore would run into severe opposition from the rest of south east asia.
 

f2000

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the chinese will make friend with muslim country in the near future including saudi n malaysia.in 1980es malaysia is american military equipment user (f-5, sabre).after malaysia see wat had happen 2 pak n indonesia before malaysia had
slowly change their strategy with procuring stuff from eastern europe n less buying us stuff.
this will give chance 2 country like china to fill the gap.although mal-china is growing slowly but in the near future it will increasing rapidly.i dont think singapore will let the chinese sit in their port because singapore is uncle sam's
son in sea.
 

ordinary dude

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The prospect of PLAN deployment in Singapore will not happen in the near next 50-100 years, I say this because Singapore too reliant on the US for any such move feasible.

Members of this Forum cited the large ethnic chinese population in Singapore as a reasoning, but I must point out, many south asia countries have predominate chinese populations, just because the ethnic chinese population doesn't mean they are willing to help China and forget all about what the Americans mean to their economy. People will always vote with their wallets, as of right now, America is still the most dominate power in South Asia (and the world).
 

ArjunMk1

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crazyinsane105 said:
ArjunMKI, the Chinese are death scared of the US choking off its oil and gas supply. If the US decided to do that, China would be extremely screwed. That is why a PLAN presence will happen in the near future. The Chinese aren't investing all of this money into the port for nothing you know. Also, it isn't Pakistanis that are spreading rumors of a PLAN presence but the Western media. The source I just gave you isn't a Pakistani source. The Guardian has also reported the same thing about China's pearl strategy. Why do you think that the IN is desperately trying to increase the size of its navy? It's obvious because they are preparing for an eventual PLAN presence. And all the recent events taking place in Gwadar right now (all the BLA related violence) is showing that foreign intelligence agencies are trying their best to disrupt Gwadar. However, a couple of rocket attacks aren't going to deter China and Pakistan from building one of the largest deep sea ports in the world.

Yes you have some strong points !!!

But how on earth US is going to tolerate Chinese naval presence under its belly (I am leaving India from this point to decrease flames) ...
 

FreeAsia2000

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ArjunMk1 said:
Yes you have some strong points !!!

But how on earth US is going to tolerate Chinese naval presence under its belly (I am leaving India from this point to decrease flames) ...

Arjun I don't think anybody is flaming here. It's a simple question
if Pakistan decides that China may base it's entire fleet in Gwadar exactly what is any other country going to do to stop it ? The only thing I can think of are sanctions, there is nothing else anybody else can do apart from invading Pakistan, blowing up the Chinese fleet, ethnically cleansing Gwadar of Pakistani's and then hiding behind their sandbags.

Please provide a means.

Thanks
 

tphuang

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Some stuff on this thread is getting slightly ridiculous. Singapore reunifying with China is not possible. If you look at the current military procurement of Singapore, you'd see how it's aligned to the Americans. Despite Typhoon's much superior performance, Singapore still chose F-15 ahead of it. Anyhow, it does look like Malaysia is having more military cooperation with China. Aside from the recent purchase of KS-1A, JF-17 also could be a possibility. As for the Americans, they really can't do anything if the Chinese fleet stays close to the port, since that's Pakistan's territory. They won't feel comfortable if China starts to fly Y-8 ELINT planes around there, but they really can't complain, since they do the same with EP-3. I think as long as China doesn't stray far out of the base, US and India would not over-react either. That's why I think China is going to send a lot of SSKs there. Surface fleet makes surrounding navies uncomfortable, but if you can't detect the SSKs, then you can't complain about it either.
 

ArjunMk1

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FreeAsia2000 said:
Arjun I don't think anybody is flaming here. It's a simple question
if Pakistan decides that China may base it's entire fleet in Gwadar exactly what is any other country going to do to stop it ?
Thanks

Friends does anything that happens in today's world politics is 100% legal ???

What law supports US occupation of Iraq ?
Any way Pakistan can legalise PLAN with in its waters , similarly Arab nations may deny the supply oil to China (of course under US pressure) !! Its absolutely leagal, Arab nations are sovereign and can decide to whom should they sell their oil !!!
 

Gollevainen

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Good that some real conversation has merged, but please remember to keep it in line...i know it haven't gross it ....yet...but it is on rocky roads...continue as used to, but remember, think in overhand which is suitble to post, exscpesially when it comes something even slightly near to political....

please don't be frighten about this, just cauntious...
 

crazyinsane105

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ArjunMk1 said:
Friends does anything that happens in today's world politics is 100% legal ???

What law supports US occupation of Iraq ?
Any way Pakistan can legalise PLAN with in its waters , similarly Arab nations may deny the supply oil to China (of course under US pressure) !! Its absolutely leagal, Arab nations are sovereign and can decide to whom should they sell their oil !!!

Actually, here is a fun fact: even with all the American pressure, the Arab nations have yet to export oil directly to Israel. Also, the Arab nations would NEVER do that. China is one of their biggest customers and cutting off oil to China will really hurt their revenues. Another thing: if the Arab nations decide to cut off oil, guess which non-Arab nation in the region will take the advantage and start to supply China? I hoped you guessed it: Iran. The Persians won't mind getting some extra money by supplying China with oil if the Arab nations decide to cut off oil.
 
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