Fourth Taiwan Strait Crisis

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xypher

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pre-effects of War. imagine when fireworks will start. Taiwan cannot bear the weight of this war. their entire economy will collapse.
Taiwan can say bye-bye to all their advanced industries they have built over that time period. Regardless of the end outcome, it will be the end of Taiwanese economy forever if the war starts. Are they ready for that? I have huge doubts.
 

vincent

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Did they make it official through an anonymous Taiwan government source from a Taipei state media?

If you have anything else, please share. This does not make Pelosi's visit an official procedure, the act of the visit itself does not make it an official visit.


No, it's not.


I don't have the slightest doubt about that. I fully understand the Chinese sentiment, but I reiterate what I stated earlier, this does not amount to an official US state visit to Taiwan.


I agree.
 

horse

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This Pelosi trip, on one level, I find hilarious.

Why is Pelosi, and by extension, the US government, trying to make such a big deal out of it?

In the end, if she actually visits Taiwan, and leaves, that is it. China and Taiwan still there.

The salami slicing arguments are very weak, and makes little sense.

Does this Pelosi visit salami slice the PLA military to be weaker? Is Taiwan military strong now? No. The situation on that front remains the same.

Mainland China and Taiwan used to be a political question and military question. Today it is mostly a military question.

After this visit, if it actually happens, the PRC will feel it has a free hand to do whatever it wants to do.

After all, Pelosi invited herself to Taiwan. The PRC will invite itself to change the status quo.

:oops::D
 

BlackWindMnt

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People who think that the US is intentionally baiting China for war are deluded. America cannot win a war near the Chinese shores and they are simply betting that China is bluffing or will not go that far. The reason for this saber rattling is because of the dire domestic situation where Biden is going to become a lame duck president if they don't do something now.

Remember, that the stakes are high not only for China but for the US as well. If they are unable to resolutely defeat China, then the world order carefully shaped & crafted by the US through all these years will fall down like a house of cards together with the US itself.
They need China scare to consolidate their hold over Europe that is why the US puppets in Brussels are already planning the sanction packages. The US wants to create an exclusive domain(market) where the US will do all the higher added value production and the US will also provide the grain and meat because the rest of Europe will be cash cropping. That is probably why European food farmers productivity can go down. I wouldn't be surprise that in 2050s Europe will become like a big Sri Lanka etc.
 

ChongqingHotPot92

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Sorry for interupting your recovery, but I have two quick questions for you.

1. What do the intelligence groups surrounding DC and the Pentagon think of the situation in the Western Pacific thus far, with Pelosi's visit to Taiwan being confirmed? Related to this, are they generally viewing China's response as the same as what Kirby said, i.e. China is merely bluffing; or that they are expecting China to respond for real this time, primarily militarily or otherwise?

2. Say, if China proceed to attack and invade Taiwan militarily in response to Pelosi's visit, would the US and her allies directly intervene (as in sending troops and ships to fight China directly), or just providing assistance from the sidelines, like what they are doing with Ukraine right now? Assuming that Pelosi is able to leave Taiwan safely, whether ot not she can meet English Vegetable.
Well the US does have three carrier battlegroups in place (one super carrier plus two LHAs carrying F-35Bs) in place, but having two LHAs as opposed to super carriers still appear to be an inferior force posture compare to 1996, unless another super carrier arrives within 72 hours. Also, we don't how many submarines are in place for launching tomahawks. In general the US posture appears to be normatively ready for war, but when taking a closer look, there aren't any significant mobilizations for a high-intensity draw out.

On the Chinese side, there are lots of rhetorical warning from the state-owned media outlets (thus, should be taken seriously if history were to be a credible source), but the PLA force posture is even less mobilized than those of the US or Taiwanese side. So far, we have only seen some movements of long-range rocket artilleries and HQ-22/HQ-9 units. We don't even see a general mobilization or large deployment of assets.

These are my confusions.
 

horse

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We should see or consider what the plan is from the PRC.

Stopping Pelosi from visiting, does not achieve too much. We get a few laughs, but that is about it.

In a game like this, there are several rounds. A few more after this, like it is perpetual.

Something is going to change. We just do not know what.
 

siegecrossbow

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This Pelosi trip, on one level, I find hilarious.

Why is Pelosi, and by extension, the US government, trying to make such a big deal out of it?

In the end, if she actually visits Taiwan, and leaves, that is it. China and Taiwan still there.

The salami slicing arguments are very weak, and makes little sense.

Does this Pelosi visit salami slice the PLA military to be weaker? Is Taiwan military strong now? No. The situation on that front remains the same.

Mainland China and Taiwan used to be a political question and military question. Today it is mostly a military question.

After this visit, if it actually happens, the PRC will feel it has a free hand to do whatever it wants to do.

After all, Pelosi invited herself to Taiwan. The PRC will invite itself to change the status quo.

:oops::D

Does Greta shouting "how dare you" at a room of high level politicians actually solve any problems? No. Does it generate a lot of publicity and internet brownie points? Yes.
 
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