FN-6 in use in Syria

This video shows a group carrying the FN6, with an English speaking person in the group. one of them later was shot or something.

plawolf said:

Sigh, this is exactly what I am worried about - China getting the blame if an FN-6 was used to bring down a civilian airliner even though it is most likely the west and its Gulf allies that supplied the rebels with these missiles in the first place. Which might be why they decided to supply FN6s in the first place rather than another more commonly available missiles.

It is very unlikely that these missiles were captured from Syrian government forces because 1) there has never even been a hint or rumour of FN6 sales to Syria 2) the rebels posted videos of their MANPADS capture and all the missiles shown were either SA17 or SA24s.

It also won't not make sense for the missiles and operators to be from Iran. There has never been any reports of FN6 sales to Iran, and more importantly, Iran is on Assad's side, so it makes absolutely no sense for Iranians to be working with the rebels to bring down government helicopters.

I still think Qatar or one of the other Gulf states is the most likely source of these missiles. The only problem is I am having trouble confirming any FN6 sales to them.

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FN-6 like newer generation of MANPAD uses twin color rossette scan IR seeker which is immune to flares and "IRCM "hot Brick" ,during the desert storm MANPAD responsible for 90% plus lost,this despite most allied aircraft carry MAW and flares or Hot brick IRCM. other such as downing of USAF F-16 in bosnia by SA-16,the f-16 carry standard MAW and flares nevertheless it was shoot down by the missile.

Sometimes I do kind of feel that the Syrian conflict is something secretly agreed upon by the major powers to channel and exhaust Islamic extremists in a fight against Assad. If they are making trouble in Syria, at least they are not as prominent in their activities somewhere else. You even get guys from East Turkestan and European fundamentalists joining in.

no_name said:

Sometimes I do kind of feel that the Syrian conflict is something secretly agreed upon by the major powers to channel and exhaust Islamic extremists in a fight against Assad. If they are making trouble in Syria, at least they are not as prominent in their activities somewhere else. You even get guys from East Turkestan and European fundamentalists joining in.

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If that is the case. The western have not learn the lesson from Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. The mujaheddin which they created bite them back in the end.

But I seriously doubt so.

There are already hundreds of Europeans fighting in Syria (latest report includes 60 Belgians), I suspect most with ties to fundamentalism. Those people learn what they can in battle, and then returns to their home country. Combined with increase of Islamic extremists influence in Europe, dropping brick on their own foot indeed.

no_name said:

Sometimes I do kind of feel that the Syrian conflict is something secretly agreed upon by the major powers to channel and exhaust Islamic extremists in a fight against Assad. If they are making trouble in Syria, at least they are not as prominent in their activities somewhere else. You even get guys from East Turkestan and European fundamentalists joining in.

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No, that wouldn't make sense. Global Jihadists were largely spent and broken after a decade of throwing themselves at American guns in Iraq and Afghanistan. The increased used of drones have hurt them especially bad. The loss is not just in equipment, but more importantly, in moral and trained and experienced fighters and field commanders, whose ranks have been particularly hard hit by drones.

Remember, it was the hard core of well trained, equipped and battle hardened veterans from the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan that made Al-Q what it is.

Just when that pool of talent has been just about stamped out, Libya and Syria happened.

In Libya, many of the previously decimated Jihadist groups found the perfect safe haven and training ground for their next generation of field commanders who were not only safe from drone attacks, but who were probably getting finance, equipment and training from the west. They also had the opportunity to cut their teeth against a manageable foe, and were able to score a lot of victories and gain confidence and experience with a lot less risk of being killed than if they tried to attack American soldiers, who are better trained, equipped and supported.

Now the same thing is happening in Syria, and since the west is not directly involved, there would be no drone strikes within Syria. If I was a Jihadist commander, I would get my ass over to Syria ASAP. There I can set up training camps that are untouchable by drones, have a relatively easy target for my newly trained fighters to gain experience on, and likely get loads of money and equipment/weapons from the west and its gulf allies.

With all the European and other international jihadists converging, Syria would also be the perfect melting pot to establish global links so that if and when I want to refocus on attacking targets in Western Europe or America, I have local indigenous contacts to take in my newly trained and experienced foot soldiers and help them blend into the local population.

That is just in terms of personnel, in terms of hardware, Libya and Syria is like a wet dream come true for jihadists, with the national arsenals of two nations potently ripe for plundering on top of whatever stuff the west and its allies are pumping in. Already, some of the world's best and most deadly MANPADS in the form of SA17/24 and FN6s are in the hands of non-government armed groups, with many groups positively salivating at the prospects of getting their hands on some of Syria's chemical and biological weapons. Under what other imaginable scenario could terrorists even dream of being able to get hold of this kind of stuff?

Seriously, I think in the decades to come, historians will look back at Libya and Syria as real WTF moments in history, when you really cannot figure out how anyone could have thought what was being done was a good idea at the time.

If I was the leader of American or the UK or France, I would either man up and send my own troops to topple Assad and help the actual Syrian opposition take power ASAP and make sure global jihad never get a chance to gain any foothold there, or strike a deal under the table with Assad to allow him or even help him crush the rebellion ASAP in exchange for him ditching Russia, siding with the West and making nice with Israel. The current half-assed free for all is really the worst possible situation for Europe and America in terms of counter global terrorism and the war on terror in the media to long term, as it is the perfect life-saving medicine global jihad needed to recover from the mortal wounds dealt it by America and its allies in a decade of war on terror.

plawolf said:

If I was the leader of American or the UK or France, I would either man up and send my own troops to topple Assad and help the actual Syrian opposition take power ASAP and make sure global jihad never get a chance to gain any foothold there, or strike a deal under the table with Assad to allow him or even help him crush the rebellion ASAP in exchange for him ditching Russia, siding with the West and making nice with Israel. The current half-assed free for all is really the worst possible situation for Europe and America in terms of counter global terrorism and the war on terror in the media to long term, as it is the perfect life-saving medicine global jihad needed to recover from the mortal wounds dealt it by America and its allies in a decade of war on terror.

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That tells you how stupid the Western governments really are, the day they supported the Arab Spring, the day they thought it's the best opportunity to get back at Gaddafi, they turned the whole east and southern coast of Med into perfect breeding grounds for international jihadists...eventhough dictators like Mubarak and Gaddafi are despot at best, under their reign they at least thumbed down radical Islamists. Now, Egypt got their own cans of worms to deal with in addition to a new regime that's the cradle of all the modern radical Islamists organizations; Libya is a failed state with literally unchecked arms blackmarket, as if its fall spilled into Mali isn't enough; Syria is the best war college for jihadists now, any whoever evolution didn't weed out will become proficient in whatever field they specialised in.

Plus, Syria crisis is in fact the extension of the millennium-old blood feud between Shi'ite and Sunni sects of Islam, the rebels are backed by oil-rich gulf states who are predominately Sunnis, all those money and equipment funneled by the likes of Saudi and Qatar governments keeps the rebels in the game, while Syria government got its hands tied to the back by the West, who still not realizing they are digging their own grave if Assad falls, or at least let the situation drag on as it is.

But, the West are not as powerful as they were a few decades back, or led by folks who can see that far, and there're no other superpowers who can step in decisively to turn the tide.

no_name said:

Sometimes I do kind of feel that the Syrian conflict is something secretly agreed upon by the major powers to channel and exhaust Islamic extremists in a fight against Assad. If they are making trouble in Syria, at least they are not as prominent in their activities somewhere else. You even get guys from East Turkestan and European fundamentalists joining in.

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It's not the west that's driving it, it's the gulf. They need the channel the energy elsewhere. The same way the Europeans called for the crusades.

arming the syrian rebels equivalent of arming al-queda terror group,the problem is that most of european government self delusional policy in the middle east, confuse the secterian warfare in syrian to fight for "democracy or human right",you simple have to look at iraq ,unrest in bahrain,terror attack in pakistan,or civil war in algeria .
samuel huffington and francis fukuyama charge liberal and the left were totally ignorant about culture, religion as a ideology and human nature.no wonder economy is total mesh.

he real issue if not about democracy at all but the clash of civilization,human right and democracy is a cultural suicide,

the conflict in Syria was always there, just we didnt see it

it stems from the time when France divided Syria under mandate and Hafez Assad took the power, in past history Alawites (Shia sect) always used to live on the hills and mountains above the Mediterranean close to border between Lebanon and Syria, always seperate from Christians, Sunnis and Jews

then when Bashers father took power he clamped down on all groups (Hama massacre) apart from the Christains and Shias, they enjoyed much freedom, he set the country under tight secuirty but there was peace and brought good living to the people so they didnt complain, although closed to the outside world

this conflict was always at some point going to boil over, it just happened 2 years ago because of pre-text of Arab Spring

most Arab countrys are ruled in a similar manner, Egypt, Libya, Bahrain, Tunisia, Yemen and Algeria, all of them came under revolution, Bahrain was secured when Saudi sent a armoured division over the King Fadh highway last year

Lebanon, Jordan, Morocco, Oman etc are not the same so they did not see similar revolution

Syria can be further stuided because it is a very big mix of peoples, they all have different agendas, none are strong enough to take out Bashir Al Assad and in turn Assad isnt strong enough to clamp down on uprising, this has resulted in a bloody civil war which we see today

Alawaites have long and deep relationship with Russia and Iran, therefore Western countrys do not want to interfere as it brings in other countrys into the conflict zone

this is reasons behind modern day Syria and its issues