F-35 Joint Strike Fighter News, Videos and pics Thread

[TerraN_EmpirE]

It's not limited to the new birds Navy F18 C-D have also had the issue. as yet there are no reports on F15/F16.

 

[dtulsa]

It's not limited to the new birds Navy F18 C-D have also had the issue. as yet there are no reports on F15/F16.

That's what I was thinking also Never heard bout the C/D model of the Hornets interesting isn't it

 

[Air Force Brat]

That's what I was thinking also Never heard bout the C/D model of the Hornets interesting isn't it

Not really, these incidents are likely more frequent due to operating off breathable oxygen generated by the OBOGs systems that the military has choosen to equip aircraft with, in preference to bottled oxygen.
So 4 gen aircraft like the Hornet and Super Hornet, T-45, etc, are just as susceptible as 5 gens, it is a very serious problem, and will eventually be resolved, in the meantime people are proceeding with an "abundance of caution".

The military doesn't necessarily advertise these things, but the "lame-stream media" does, just like they chase storms and ambulances,,, they spend a lot of money creating news, and creating scandals, where we have equipment issues.... like sharks, they smell "blood in the water" and go into a feeding frenzy.

So NO its NOT a scandal, it is an operational issue that must be worked and resolved, if this happened in China or Russia, you would NEVER know about it, they do Not have a free press....so if they are operating a similar system, they are likely experiencing similar issues.

 

[dtulsa]

Not really, these incidents are likely more frequent due to operating off breathable oxygen generated by the OBOGs systems that the military has choosen to equip aircraft with, in preference to bottled oxygen.
So 4 gen aircraft like the Hornet and Super Hornet, T-45, etc, are just as susceptible as 5 gens, it is a very serious problem, and will eventually be resolved, in the meantime people are proceeding with an "abundance of caution".

The military doesn't necessarily advertise these things, but the "lame-stream media" does, just like they chase storms and ambulances,,, they spend a lot of money creating news, and creating scandals, where we have equipment issues.... like sharks, they smell "blood in the water" and go into a feeding frenzy.

So NO its NOT a scandal, it is an operational issue that must be worked and resolved, if this happened in China or Russia, you would NEVER know about it, they do Not have a free press....so if they are operating a similar system, they are likely experiencing similar issues.

Wasn't thinking it was a scandal myself just interesting is all I do wonder though if these systems have any common parts or suppliers etc

 

[Jura The idiot]

LOL the author should've skipped either of the two paragraphs:

"The F-35 will drastically increase the situational awareness of the forces with which it will deploy and for the UK, where deployed numbers may be a concern, it represents a fantastic way to enhance combat capability in any coalition or national effort.

It is my opinion that the F-35 will drastically increase the situational awareness and combat capabilities of the forces with which it will deploy and for the UK, where numbers may be a concern, it represents a fantastic way to enhance combat capability in any coalition or national effort."

as keeping them both doesn't 'drastically increase' the power of F-35
The F-35, does it deserve the flak?

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It’s no secret that the F-35 has had severe cost and schedule issues.

The F-35 programme has gone through serious teething problems, problems also experienced by the majority of complex aircraft flying today such as the F-15, Typhoon or any other modern combat jet.

The biggest issue for the project continues to be the fact it is the most expensive military weapons system in history owing to the sheer scope of the programme but that being said, aircraft costs are now coming down and will soon be similar to the cost of many aircraft it’s replacing.

Today the programme is maturing rapidly, right now much of the activity around the jet is dealing with software bugs and testing to validate the software, with most of the physical testing being to do with weapons integration and the gradual scaling up of capabilities that comes with each new software block.

The jet is a quantum leap in capability, able to give the pilot as much information as only theatre commanders have previously had. While the primary value of the jet is in its sensor and networking capabilities, it is also valuable in that it’s able to perform many tasks designed to increase the lethality of not only itself but other assets, such tasks include the ability to co-ordinate small fleets of unmanned combat aircraft, guide weapons launched from other platforms (even warships), launch a wide-range of its own weapons and use it’s own radar to conduct electronic attacks.

A key element of 21st century air power is clearly working and smoothly implemented coalition operations, the F-35 provides a unique integrated air combat capability whereby coalitions of joint or allied F-35s can be supported in common. The F-35 was designed from the outset to bring these capabilities while also being interoperable across a coalition of air power.

Two networks are core to this operability: the Link-16 and the new Multi-Function Advanced Datalink (MADL). These systems allow the F-35 to communicate with nearly all current and future NATO assets.

Link-16 is currently utilised by most existing platforms fielded by NATO members and will allow F-35 to integrate seamlessly into a coalition force structure.

MADL will complement the current networks as NATO’s first high bandwidth, low probability of detect and intercept connection. The fundamental design features of MADL enable all NATO F-35s in a deployed coalition to communicate within an Anti-Access/Area Denial environment.

The potential for cooperation between the United Kingdom and coalition forces all using the F-35 variants is significant, in terms of coalition warfare the F-35 further increases the situational awareness of all parties to a greater extent than anything flying today, resulting in a quantum leap in capability for coalition forces.

Such is the aircrafts sensor and data fusion capabilities, a small number of F-35s could provide the UK and her coalition allies with situational awareness within defended airspace where platforms such as E-3 AWACS and E-8 JSTARS would be unable to operate.

F-35s could find and designate priority targets within defended airspace for a less stealthy fleet to attack from a relatively safe distance, further enhancing coalition capability.

The F-35s value is not only in its stealth or combat capability, it’s also in the flying sensor network it creates in the battle space.

The ability of the F-35 to drastically improve the combat capability of other assets was demonstrated recently when an F-35 and Aegis Weapon System worked together during a live fire exercise, with the F-35 passing sensor data to another platform which then engaged the target.

The exercise was the first live fire missile event that successfully demonstrated the integration of the F-35 to support Naval Integrated Fire Control-Counter Air and represent a very promising exploration into the interoperability of the F-35 with other naval assets.

The F-35 will drastically increase the situational awareness of the forces with which it will deploy and for the UK, where deployed numbers may be a concern, it represents a fantastic way to enhance combat capability in any coalition or national effort.

It is my opinion that the F-35 will drastically increase the situational awareness and combat capabilities of the forces with which it will deploy and for the UK, where numbers may be a concern, it represents a fantastic way to enhance combat capability in any coalition or national effort.

There is no denying that jet is overbudget and behind schedule compared to original estimates but an incredibly capable platform is emerging and one that I believe will shape the future of air combat.

 

[Jura The idiot]

Yesterday at 9:38 PM

Monday at 9:40 PM

related:
Still no answer for F-35 oxygen deprivation issues, US Air Force says
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and according to AirForceMag
While F-35 Incidents Still Mysterious, Return to Flight Expected Soon

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After engineers, physicians, pilots, and maintainers wracked their brains for a week, the cause of five physiological incidents among F-35A pilots at Luke AFB, Ariz., remains a mystery.

Even so, an “initial” return to flight status is contemplated as early as the afternoon of June 20, 56th Fighter Wing commander Brig. Gen. Brook Leonard told reporters Friday via teleconference from Luke.

Leonard said there was no “root cause” identified among the five incidents, which occurred over five weeks and caused F-35 flying to be halted at Luke, nor were there any “common threads” pointing clearly to a specific problem. Flying was stopped because “the risk snowball was building,” he said.

The incidents affected five different pilots and five different aircraft from different production lots, so there were no common factors, Leonard said, nor were any of the procedures in maintenance or in the life support shop found to be improper or inadequate. The only consistency, he noted, were that the incidents occurred at about the same altitude or “cabin altitude”—the air pressure inside the cockpit. The intense scrutiny partnered “experts and engineers with operators,” and while flying is set to begin again, the investigation will continue.

In the meantime, Leonard believes flying can safely resume with several restrictions and “more robust” procedures. Those include avoiding the “flight regime”—the altitude and maneuvers—associated with the five incidents, but Leonard declined to identify what those are for fear that it would preclude an open-minded approach to finding the true root cause of the problem.

Leonard said scrutiny continues of the On-Board Oxygen Generating System (OBOGS), which was involved in a

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. He allowed that it’s “a possibility” the F-35 suffers from a problem similar to Navy F/A-18s and T-45s, which also have had OBOGS issues in recent months, “but we have not been able to test that, yet.”

Leonard said he will meet with pilots in the program and they will have to assure him “they are comfortable” with the additional safety measures in place. Those comprise extra pre-flight checks of the backup oxygen system, which “worked very well” in the recovery of the jets affected, as well as protecting pilots from breathing too much exhaust gas on the ground in their pre-flight preparations. Temperatures on the Luke flightline “are very hot,” he said, and jets in close proximity can put a lot of fumes into the air. Pilots also will get more frequent refreshers in physiological training so they can recognize and avoid both hypoxia—insufficient oxygen—and hyper- or hypocapnia, which involves the amount of carbon dioxide in the blood, and the effects of which are not as immediately discernible as those of hypoxia. In addition, pilots will begin wearing sensors that detect the levels of gases in the cockpit.

There have been 23 cases of physiological incidents with the F-35 since the first examples began flying, and 10 of those—including the five affecting Luke jets—remain unsolved, Leonard observed. Of the 23 incidents, 10 affected F-35As, three affected F-35Bs, and five involved F-35Cs. He declined to discuss the specific symptoms of the five affected Luke pilots, noting that physiological symptoms of hypoxia and other breathing-related physiological issues differ from person to person.

Leonard said he has conducted a “town hall” with spouses and families of F-35 pilots to keep them informed and assure them that safety will be the top priority as the solution is sought.

Five US pilots and one international pilot were affected, and five US jets and one international jet were involved, but Leonard declined to identify either the foreign pilot or the owner of the foreign aircraft. One of the incidents affected a Luke jet

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AFB, Idaho.

There will be no surge in flying after the grounding is lifted, because that would violate the “slow and steady” principle of training, Leonard asserted, adding that he believes the lost training time will have little to no effect on the proficiency of the students in the F-35 program at Luke.

The base has 55 F-35s: 40 of which belong to the US Air Force, while the remainder belong to Australia, Norway, Italy, and Japan. It is the center of advanced training in the “A” model of the aircraft. Basic F-35 training takes place at Eglin AFB, Fla.

 

[Air Force Brat]

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Col. Scott Walker, LockMart simulator IP personally rebuts this piece of KRAP! Michael P Hughes is at least honest enough to personally display the magnitude of his "stoopidity" like a 4 ft. peacock in full plumage with that last paragraph?? yeah, this guys a real "genius" just ask him,,,, he was a USAF non-com, but not one they're to likely to be proud of???

 

[Air Force Brat]

LOL the author should've skipped either of the two paragraphs:

"The F-35 will drastically increase the situational awareness of the forces with which it will deploy and for the UK, where deployed numbers may be a concern, it represents a fantastic way to enhance combat capability in any coalition or national effort.

It is my opinion that the F-35 will drastically increase the situational awareness and combat capabilities of the forces with which it will deploy and for the UK, where numbers may be a concern, it represents a fantastic way to enhance combat capability in any coalition or national effort."

as keeping them both doesn't 'drastically increase' the power of F-35
The F-35, does it deserve the flak?

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this on the other hand is at least well thought and honest! much better that little Mikey's temper tantrum!

 

[Jura The idiot]

... Michael P Hughes is at least honest enough to personally display the magnitude of his "stoopidity" like a 4 ft. peacock in full plumage with that last paragraph?? ...

let me see that paragraph:

"I believe the F-35 program should be immediately canceled; the technologies and systems developed for it should be used in more up-to-date and cost-effective aircraft designs. Specifically, the F-35 should be replaced with a series of new designs targeted toward the specific mission requirements of the individual branches of the armed forces, in lieu of a single aircraft design trying to be everything to everyone."

yes, I've following the F-35 Program for like three and a half years now, during which I didn't see a cancellation officially mentioned at all (I think the last official trouble was Nunn–McCurdy breach by F-35B back in 2010), so no, what the author has described in that paragraph just won't happen; in fact, the Pentagon does anything it takes to build as many F-35s as possible

 

[Jura The idiot]

this on the other hand is at least well thought and honest! much better that little Mikey's temper tantrum!

LOL by just looking at the source I thought the author would actually laud F-35 (which he did; I haven't seen
"The jet is a quantum leap in capability, able to give the pilot as much information as only theatre commanders have previously had."
yet)