F-35 Joint Strike Fighter News, Videos and pics Thread

And I think that by the time that there IRST get the lock tone they would already be in the kill box of In bound radar guided air to air missilles.
LOL I knew I had been through it:

"against"
Brumby
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... the crazy part, even if those Red Force airplanes didn't detect the Blue Force Group, they would still launch ARMs ... to increase the chaos

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Jun 28, 2016
where my point has been (based on what I've read in Internet) Opfor would 'act crazy' like launching at random, to disrupt 'neat' formations (like of F-35s, presumably four-ship presumably using line-of-sight MADL ignored here Friday at 9:01 PM)


"against" you Aug 15, 2016
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"Conceptually one can act on a - 'False-Positive' - even if stealth is 100% effective in the radio spectrum:

a) IRST picks something up.
b) Point your radar at it.
c) No (or strange) radar return? = stealth.
d) We don't have stealth.
e) Select R-27T-R-77 class IR weapon - 'Fox!’ "
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where, in addition to pointing F-35s are not that "impervious", I extend my point now: I think F-35s would be better off if used withOUT 4Gen around
 
Yeah, I'm in a better mood now,
hey, join the fight:
6 minutes ago

Honey Badger, Mollie, and I were invited up to the flight deck on the A-400, now that was the absolute "Dogs Bollock's", Holy Cow, what a flight deck, knew where it all was too, had that side stick in the practiced hands of the old Air Force Brat, rapped my left hand around that mousey roller ball thangy,,,, and that Scottsman had her ALL lit up for me.... said that bright Central Obamastan sunshine was about to blind him?? LOL it was gorgeous, and about 88 degrees, but low humidity, that will come tomorrow, but lots of sun and NO CLOUDS to speak of.....
are you saying you were in the cockpit of an airliner??
 

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hey, join the fight:
6 minutes ago

are you saying you were in the cockpit of an airliner??

Nah, I'm out on this one, the F-35s will be going in dispersed, likely with F-22s for top-cover on first day ops, and they will leave those "bulleyes" at home while the bring down the defenses, at least out of range...

I was on the Airbus A-400 strategic airlifter, the 4 engine turbo-prop, very kool airplane, watch one of the flying displays on You-tube, RAF flew over for Scott AFB's 100 anniversary. See my facebook
 
do I recall correctly a detail from inside Saturday at 8:21 AM
credit goes to dtulsa but DefenseNews has a more informative story
F-35s at Luke Air Force Base grounded after pilots suffered oxygen deprivation
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... yes I do: "Maj. Rebecca Heyse, spokeswoman for the 56th, stressed that flight operations are currently only suspended for one day, and will resume on Monday."

maybe they're on American Samoa time where's it's early in the morning now :)
 
hot air

“The best salespeople in the world include Vladimir Putin, the Chinese and our North Korean friends,” says Birkey.

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With F-35’s Arrival, Stealth Returns To Paris
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The pros of sending the F-35 to the Paris Air Show now outweigh the cons
Jun 8, 2017

More than two decades after the U.S. Air Force gave attendees of Europe’s largest aerospace showcase a rare glimpse at the secretive B-2 bomber, stealth is returning to Le Bourget Airport.
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will make its much-anticipated Paris Air Show debut this year, marking the first time a low-observable aircraft has appeared at the event since 1995.

There are many theories about why the U.S. has declined to send stealth aircraft to Paris for the past few decades, primarily related to security and logistics. While stealth is less exotic today than it was when
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unveiled the B-2, the Pentagon is likely still concerned the aircraft could be exposed to prying eyes. It is also simply more difficult for the U.S. to operate stealth aircraft in France than it is elsewhere in Europe such as Germany or the UK, as the Pentagon does not have secure military facilities or basing rights there.

Those security and logistics challenges still remain. In fact,
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officials said right up until early May that the JSF would not go to the Paris Air Show, which runs from June 19-26. What has changed, according to multiple experts, is the growing importance of international F-35 sales to the health of the overall program, the increasingly volatile global security environment and the maturity of the aircraft itself. Simply put, the scale has been slowly tipping in recent years, and the pros of sending the F-35 to Paris now outweigh the cons.

A little history: Lockheed’s F-117 was the first stealth aircraft to appear at Le Bourget, in 1991. The B-2 was next, but its time there was fleeting—about 1 hr. During the flying demonstration, several French aircraft “got a little too close” to the bomber, likely trying to take pictures of the sensitive stealth coatings, says Richard Aboulafia, an analyst with the Teal Group.

Lockheed’s
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Raptor was scheduled to fly at the 2009 Paris Air Show, but the Air Force canceled the appearance at the last minute, saying the aircraft was tied up elsewhere. However, news reports at the time indicated there may have been another reason the F-22 was a no-show: concerns that the stealth fighter would be exposed to radar trying to gather intelligence on U.S. technology.

Eight years later, the Air Force maintains that the last-minute move to send the JSF to Paris is not a reversal, saying that by mid-May the decision simply had not reached the highest levels of leadership yet. (By contrast, Defense Department officials confirmed to reporters a full six months in advance that the F-35 would participate in the 2016 Royal International Air Tattoo and the Farnborough Airshow in the UK.)

“In all likelihood, it was the traditional: ‘Well, we’ve never gone, and the answer has always been no.’ Then someone has to shake that cage,” says one former military officer familiar with the Paris Air Show process, who spoke on condition of anonymity. The official pointed to “getting murdered in the press” as one possible contributor to the Air Force’s change of heart.

This year, the F-35 will not only fly an aerial demonstration at the European showcase but will also appear in the static park. This seems like unnecessary hassle and risk, given the logistics challenges and security concerns. The Air Force could fly the aircraft from air bases in the UK or Germany, do the demonstration and fly back without ever having to land at Le Bourget.

But both Lockheed Martin and the Pentagon appear to be going all out for the F-35’s Paris debut, perhaps with the hope of securing additional international sales. Lockheed sees a market for the F-35 all over the world, with near-term opportunities including Belgium, Canada, Finland, Poland, Switzerland and possibly Germany down the road. In the Middle East, customers could eventually include Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates, says Aboulafia.

In a tight budget environment, securing international orders for the F-35 is not just a boon for Lockheed but also is in the best interest of the U.S. government. Whereas the B-2 and F-22 were never designed for export, selling the F-35 to foreign customers has become increasingly crucial for the health of the overall program. While many defense hawks hoped President Donald Trump would increase funds for aircraft modernization, U.S. F-35 procurement is now stalled at fewer than 60 aircraft a year through the five-year defense plan. Absent a sudden influx of cash, any hope for an F-35 ramp-up in the near-term—necessary to decrease unit costs and mitigate a strike fighter shortfall across the armed services—now rests with international exports.

“Everything on that airplane is premised on rate,” says Doug Birkey, executive director of the Mitchell Institute for Aerospace Power Studies. “From a sales standpoint . . . I don’t think they can afford not to go.”

Meanwhile, the international market is ripe for the picking. With the F-35’s upcoming appearance at Paris, Lockheed appears to be seizing the opportunity presented by an increasingly unstable world. Spooked by escalating aggression from Russia, China and North Korea, alarmed allies are likely more open to buying a fifth-generation stealth fighter.

“The best salespeople in the world include Vladimir Putin, the Chinese and our North Korean friends,” says Birkey.

International air shows present a prime opportunity to market new capabilities, says Dan Stohr, spokesman for the Aerospace Industries Association.

“The U.S. proudly arranges flight demonstrations and static displays of our civil and military aircraft at these international air shows to reinforce why America is the security and trading partner of choice,” says Stohr.

Finally, the F-35 program seems to have turned a corner, programmatically and in the eyes of the public. The long-anticipated Farnborough Airshow debut in 2016 went off without a major hitch, and the Air Force variant successfully completed its first European training deployment earlier this year. Meanwhile, a squadron of the
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’ F-35Bs permanently deployed to Iwakuni, Japan, and recently completed joint training exercise Northern Edge in Alaska. Lockheed anticipates that development of the final warfighting software will be completed by the end of the year, in time for the Navy to declare its F-35C variant combat-ready in 2018.

As the warfighter begins operating the F-35, confidence in the fighter continues to grow. The successful European deployment in particular was “a major stepping-stone” to being able to deploy the F-35 anywhere in the world, says Col. David Lyons, commander of the 388th Fighter Wing at Hill AFB, Utah.

“That really was, at the end of the day, one of the biggest objectives of the deployment—to prove that we could take the spares package, the ALIS [Autonomic Logistic Information System], the personnel, the jets, all of the logistics train that goes along with this deployment,” Lyons says. “Now we know that we can take the F-35 and all the equipment, and we can go wherever we want to go in the world.”
 
Today at 8:18 PM
do I recall correctly a detail from inside Saturday at 8:21 AM
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... yes I do: "Maj. Rebecca Heyse, spokeswoman for the 56th, stressed that flight operations are currently only suspended for one day, and will resume on Monday."

maybe they're on American Samoa time where's it's early in the morning now :)
now when I was about to log off, noticed
Luke Air Force Base extends cancellation of F-35 flight operations
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F-35 flight operations at Luke Air Force Base, Arizona, will continue to be suspended as analysts investigate five incidents where pilots suffered hypoxia-like symptoms, a spokeswoman for the base said Monday.

Since May 2, five 56th Fighter Wing pilots have reported symptoms of oxygen deprivation while flying the U.S. Air Force version of the joint strike fighter, including two incidents that occurred last week. In all cases, the backup oxygen systems kicked in and pilots were able to safely land the plane, but training has ground to a halt to allow a team from the F-35 Joint Program Office, or JPO, to study the events.

Maj. Rebecca Heyse, spokeswoman for the 56th Fighter Wing, said a JPO team of engineers, maintainers and aeromedical specialists arrived on base Sunday and are currently narrowing down potential causes for the incidents. The hope is to identify the root cause over the next couple days, but no date has been set as this time for a tentative resumption of operations, she told Defense News.

"The 56th Fighter Wing will continue their pause in local F-35A flying to coordinate analysis and communication between pilots, maintainers, medical professionals and a team of military and industry experts,” she said in a statement. “This coordination will include technical analysis of the physiological incidents to date and discussions on possible risk mitigation options to enable a return to flying operations.

“Updates will be provided as our teams work together toward safely returning to building the future of airpower through trained F-35A pilots. The safety of our airmen is paramount and we will take as much time as necessary to ensure their safety."

In the meantime, Heyse said the 56th Fighter Wing is continuing a variety of pilot education measures, including an all-call meeting with the JPO team to discuss the events. Cancellation of flight operations affects 49 pilots and 55 aircraft total.

At this point, little is known about the incidents themselves, including whether the On-Board Oxygen Generating System failed in any of the cases. All five events occurred with different jets from multiple squadrons and production batches, Heyse confirmed. However, because only pilots from Luke AFB have developed hypoxia-like symptoms, the service continues to believe it remains a localized problem.

Brig. Gen. Brook Leonard, commander of the 56th Fighter Wing, will make the final call on when to resume flight operations.
 
now DoDBuzz F-35As Still Grounded at Luke Air Force Base
The U.S. Air Force will continue a temporary suspension of all F-35 flights at
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in Arizona until further notice, the service said on Monday.

The move comes days after officials halted operations for all
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— the Air Force’s model designed for taking off and landing on conventional runways — at the base after pilots complained of hypoxia-related issues.

“The 56th Fighter Wing will continue their pause in local F-35A flying to coordinate analysis and communication between pilots, maintainers, medical professionals and a team of military and industry experts,” Luke spokeswoman Maj. Rebecca Heyse said in a statement.

“This coordination will include technical analysis of the physiological incidents to date and discussions on possible risk mitigation options to enable a return to flying operations,” she added. “Updates will be provided as our teams work together toward safely returning to building the future of airpower through trained F-35A pilots.”

Heyse added, “The safety of our Airmen is paramount and we will take as much time as necessary to ensure their safety.”

The cause of the setback has not yet been identified, Capt. Mark Graff told Military.com in a phone call Monday. He reiterated the incidents are only “limited to Luke” at this time, meaning other bases aren’t affected by the order.

Flying operations were originally set to resume Monday. Brig. Gen. Brook Leonard, commander of the 56th Fighter Wing commander, will decide when the F-35s will return to flight at the installation, officials said.

Graff said last week that the 56th Fighter Wing at Luke canceled local flying operations “due to a series of five incidents in which pilots have experienced hypoxia-like symptoms.”

Since May 2, five F-35A pilots have experienced physiological incidents while flying. In each case, the aircraft’s backup oxygen system kicked in and the pilot followed the correct procedures to land safely.

A total of 55 F-35As are assigned to Luke.

Base officials educated pilots on the effects of hypoxia on Friday, Graff said. Now, there will be “continued analysis of the incidents, and [officials will] fuse that with more information as they go about it,” he said. “The incidents are the crux of the issue,” he said.

There have not been additional reports from pilots suffering similar symptoms, Graff said.

The issue of military pilots suffering hypoxia-like symptoms — shortness of breath, confusion, wheezing — in-flight isn’t limited to the F-35 fleet.

Pilots flying the
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fifth-generation stealth jet experienced hypoxia symptoms on various occasions between 2008 and 2012. One pilot died as a result, and one had a near-death scare, with dozens more pilots experiencing confusion and disorientation while flying, according to an ABC News investigation at the time.

Then-Pentagon spokesman George Little said investigators found the cause to be a faulty valve in the high-pressure vest worn by the pilots at extreme altitude, which was restricting their ability to breathe.

More recently, the
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went so far as to equip the aircraft carrier USS George H. W. Bush with specialized equipment called a transportable recompression system, or hyperbaric chamber, amid a review of physiological episodes affecting pilots who flew the
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