F-35 Joint Strike Fighter News, Videos and pics Thread

Air Force Brat

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Looking it and i think interesting going for fuel qty, comsuption and range
https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/j-20-5th-gen-fighter-thread-v.t7303/page-436
Something I had already thought
Yet
F-119 seems gridy
the F119 produces a maximum of 26,000 lb of thrust (dry) - that's 18,200 lb of fuel used per hour
for 2 : about 18 tons hour !!!

F-35 with F-135 i have 11 tons

And in addition F-22 is more big than F-35A and carry same qty of fuel curious ?

For to exact for size with wings etc... F-22 is much more large but for fuselage F-35 is big especialy behind the cockpit look pics
LM have do one airfcraft unusual the more big single-engine fighter bomber never build with a fat fuselage less nice in more small wings and very big engine also less agile than 5gen others fighters but have the more sophisticated electronic with sensor fusion F-22 have but less efficient still her radar is more powerful 2000 modules vs 1500 but don't have IRST F-35 have.

Ok F-15 also big carry less ( 6,1 t int ) but the 2 others are different comparable as stealth fighter used with a big qty of internal fuel and less often with FTs.

Not naysayer about F-22 very nice mainly capable fighter but curious for her max weight 38 t similar about with T-50, J-10 he carry clearly less fuel than others 10 and 11 tons a difference 20 % ofc USAF have many tankers for compensate it but curious...

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The F-22 is able to carry at least 18OO US Gallons on plumbed, jettisonable hard points. So for really long legs it carries a lot of fuel, and it is marginally slicker, and able to use dry thrust to go supersonic. It still apparently carries less internal fuel than the F-35.

The main reason I argue that the F-35C is so important to the Navy, the ability to take your airfield with and actually project power into very hostile airspace!
 

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The F-22 is able to carry at least 18OO US Gallons on plumbed, jettisonable hard points. So for really long legs it carries a lot of fuel, and it is marginally slicker, and able to use dry thrust to go supersonic. It still apparently carries less internal fuel than the F-35.

The main reason I argue that the F-35C is so important to the Navy, the ability to take your airfield with and actually project power into very hostile airspace!
Yep so surely even with only 2 FTs a CR of 1100 - 1500 km with a part with super cruise, 220 mn or not

FTs often very useful for range ofc but are a problem for agility and max speed and to see in factstealth with all internaly fuel weapons have finaly a max speed equal to no stealth with Fts and the gap especialy for F-35 max mach 1.6 is less important as we can think, not easy to see also, i have learn :)

This siste help much for it for comparisons an other problem... also many parameter for A2A combat the matter is difficult ! he provide each see useless going fight for it
But i think good for the Fundamentals
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Yep so surely even with only 2 FTs a CR of 1100 - 1500 km with a part with super cruise, 220 mn or not

FTs often very useful for range ofc but are a problem for agility and max speed and to see in factstealth with all internaly fuel weapons have finaly a max speed equal to no stealth with Fts and the gap especialy for F-35 max mach 1.6 is less important as we can think, not easy to see also, i have learn :)

This siste help much for it for comparisons an other problem... also many parameter for A2A combat the matter is difficult ! he provide each see useless going fight for it
But i think good for the Fundamentals
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Your boy Picard585 is a complete and total "Bull Shitter!" Beginning with using Pierre Sprey as his authority, (Pierre used to be a straight up guy, but went "whacko" and takes credit for things he didn't do?? and discredits the F-35 and F-22, kinda like the inspector of "Pink Panther" fame hates the Pink Panther???

anyway back to your boy, he sets up a number of straw men, gives the F-22 somewhat grudging acknowledgement, and proceeds to rank F-35 at the bottom on every category. I suggest you watch a French translation of "F-35 Myths". the F-35 is not a perfect aeroplane, but it does lots of things in an outstanding manner. So his "compare" just gets it wrong, lots of supposition and grossly inaccurate in places, besides using extremely dated "fighter doctrine". Modern fighters like Typhoon, Rafale, PAK-FA, J-20, operate in a completely different manner than fighters of the past, relying on early detection of your opponent, and remaining "stealthy yourself.

while some of his raw data are decent, his general observations are extremely biased, but he does like the Rafale!
 

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Your boy Picard585 is a complete and total "Bull Shitter!" Beginning with using Pierre Sprey as his authority, (Pierre used to be a straight up guy, but went "whacko" and takes credit for things he didn't do?? and discredits the F-35 and F-22, kinda like the inspector of "Pink Panther" fame hates the Pink Panther???
Inspector Cousteau. Pierre"It's a Turkey" Sprey was a defence analysist in the days of Robert Mcnimera his job was to set requirements and determine mission gaps. He then started"Padding" his resume claiming to have worked with people whom were not operating in the same fields and making all kinds of claims about what he worked on and occasionally contradicting himself. He claimed to have worked on the design of the F15, in some interviews and praising it well in others he claims that it was a bamboozle that forced him to design the F16. He has claimed that the F16 is a pure dogfighter it's not it was meant to fill multirole missions. He discredits electronics despite the fact that "His" F16 has what was the most sophisticated avionics sets of any fighter at the time. He has made all kinds of claims about the F35 design that have continuesly been debunked. And fighters are not the only place he has stuck his nose he has a white paper of "recommendations" that is full is doubious points.
anyway back to your boy, he sets up a number of straw men, gives the F-22 somewhat grudging acknowledgement, and proceeds to rank F-35 at the bottom on every category. I suggest you watch a French translation of "F-35 Myths". the F-35 is not a perfect aeroplane, but it does lots of things in an outstanding manner. So his "compare" just gets it wrong, lots of supposition and grossly inaccurate in places, besides using extremely dated "fighter doctrine". Modern fighters like Typhoon, Rafale, PAK-FA, J-20, operate in a completely different manner than fighters of the past, relying on early detection of your opponent, and remaining "stealthy yourself.
standard F35 media.
while some of his raw data are decent, his general observations are extremely biased, but he does like the Rafale!
oh of course or JAS39 or Typhoon or Flanker.
And they can accept updated info or weapons for those but poor F35 never leaves X35 to them. And the issues even small ones never get solved...
 

FORBIN

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Your boy Picard585 is a complete and total "Bull Shitter!" Beginning with using Pierre Sprey as his authority, (Pierre used to be a straight up guy, but went "whacko" and takes credit for things he didn't do?? and discredits the F-35 and F-22, kinda like the inspector of "Pink Panther" fame hates the Pink Panther???

anyway back to your boy, he sets up a number of straw men, gives the F-22 somewhat grudging acknowledgement, and proceeds to rank F-35 at the bottom on every category. I suggest you watch a French translation of "F-35 Myths". the F-35 is not a perfect aeroplane, but it does lots of things in an outstanding manner. So his "compare" just gets it wrong, lots of supposition and grossly inaccurate in places, besides using extremely dated "fighter doctrine". Modern fighters like Typhoon, Rafale, PAK-FA, J-20, operate in a completely different manner than fighters of the past, relying on early detection of your opponent, and remaining "stealthy yourself.

while some of his raw data are decent, his general observations are extremely biased, but he does like the Rafale!

but he does like the Rafale!
Seems me also:D for joke ofc i want learn with neutral reports but not all are.
Rafale yes not Rafael i see sometimes.

I have say " This siste help much for it for comparisons an other problem..."
for F-35 also he don' t consider last blocks with a better agility but yes it is not a fan for US stealth fighters seems ;)

In general much say F-22/35s are very capable game changer... but some enough rare have say sometimes useless stealth is outdated in more expensive can' t do the job etc... what u want !

In French press now about 60 % favorable not tabloid ofc :D

To forgive me but I had warned :cool:

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FORBIN

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Your boy Picard585 is a complete and total "Bull Shitter!" Beginning with using Pierre Sprey as his authority, (Pierre used to be a straight up guy, but went "whacko" and takes credit for things he didn't do?? and discredits the F-35 and F-22, kinda like the inspector of "Pink Panther" fame hates the Pink Panther???

anyway back to your boy, he sets up a number of straw men, gives the F-22 somewhat grudging acknowledgement, and proceeds to rank F-35 at the bottom on every category. I suggest you watch a French translation of "F-35 Myths". the F-35 is not a perfect aeroplane, but it does lots of things in an outstanding manner. So his "compare" just gets it wrong, lots of supposition and grossly inaccurate in places, besides using extremely dated "fighter doctrine". Modern fighters like Typhoon, Rafale, PAK-FA, J-20, operate in a completely different manner than fighters of the past, relying on early detection of your opponent, and remaining "stealthy yourself.

while some of his raw data are decent, his general observations are extremely biased, but he does like the Rafale!
Inspector Cousteau. Pierre"It's a Turkey" Sprey was a defence analysist in the days of Robert Mcnimera his job was to set requirements and determine mission gaps. He then started"Padding" his resume claiming to have worked with people whom were not operating in the same fields and making all kinds of claims about what he worked on and occasionally contradicting himself. He claimed to have worked on the design of the F15, in some interviews and praising it well in others he claims that it was a bamboozle that forced him to design the F16. He has claimed that the F16 is a pure dogfighter it's not it was meant to fill multirole missions. He discredits electronics despite the fact that "His" F16 has what was the most sophisticated avionics sets of any fighter at the time. He has made all kinds of claims about the F35 design that have continuesly been debunked. And fighters are not the only place he has stuck his nose he has a white paper of "recommendations" that is full is doubious points.
standard F35 media. oh of course or JAS39 or Typhoon or Flanker.
And they can accept updated info or weapons for those but poor F35 never leaves X35 to them. And the issues even small ones never get solved...

Yep but i don't think it is necessary to be a military expert, enginneer, warfighter etc... for to be aware about military armament if you have good reading you can be aware

Her problem to his author don't consider mainly :

- F-22 APG-77 can be little locatable but how to be sure... i add EM emissions are the more locatale and up to very far after visual and IR.
But T-50, J-20 doubtful can have also a radar as it... to consider US ar very good for radars modules and in the general the best for electronic others especialy a people ... think to be very capable how you build modern armament since only 15 years don' t take me for an idiot...

- F-35 agility i think he consider Block 2B also difficult to find infos for last blocks especialy STR/ITR data extremely difficult to have.
Mainly he ignore
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Distributed Aperture System (DAS) and it is an enourmous fault ! coz the pliot look much more fast around, allow fired SR AAMs without look ennemy on 360° and in addition detect far ennemy missiles quite sure compensate F-35 is less agile

Despite it is clear even if agility increase as i have mentionned the F-35 is not a F-22, T-50 for climb rate, turn rates he want about a F-16 can' t manoeuver on the spot as fighters with vector thrust which can " dance " on the spot that can allow to be exceeded and have ennemy more vulnerable.
 
LOL this is interesting:
Russian noticed (dated Monday at 5:40 AM)

Air Force: F-35 May Soon Attack ISIS
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(it's bragging, "The F-35A is fully combat capable now ..." etc.)

and in the front article at gazeta.ru right now
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after quoting the above article, Russians basically say they're looking forward to F-35 deployment in Syria so that they could check their detection means
 
now F-35 cost target impossible without block buy, Lockheed says
A hand-shake agreement with US government negotiators slashes the cost of each F-35A ordered in the latest annual lot to $94.6 million, but the Lockheed Martin programme’s goal to drop the price to $85 million in three years is in jeopardy unless the Defense department invokes a package of special acquisition tools, says Lockheed chief financial officer Bruce Tanner.

The F-35 joint programme office and Lockheed have said for years that a long-sought, three-year block buy that would begin in FY2018 would be a key ingredient in reaching the $85 million unit recurring flyaway cost target a year later.

In remarks on 8 February at the Cowen Aerospace/Defense and Industrials Conference, Tanner took that approach a step further, saying the $85 million price target, including the Pratt & Whitney engine, is now impossible to achieve in the absence of one or some combination of another round of Blueprint for Affordability cost reductions in the manufacturing system, a block buy and an economic ordering quantity purchase.

“As we look at it now,” Tanner says, “one of those or combination of those are required to get to the $85 million.”

Since 2014, Lockheed has unveiled two rounds of Blueprint for Affordability initiatives with pledged investments of up to $340 million to lower unit recurring flyaway costs.

Since the F-35 remains in the low-rate initial production through FY2019, the programme is legally prohibited from using a multi-year procurement authority, which allows US government agencies to award a single contract spanning multiple years rather than an annual lots. Instead, the F-35 has pursued approval of a “block buy”, which seeks bulk discounts by offering industry an upfront commitment of purchases over multiple years, but usually without cancellation fees.

Tanner’s remarks come less than a week after the F-35 programme announced reaching a preliminary agreement on the 10th lot of low-rate initial production. The Lot 10 deal was originally scheduled to be awarded in FY2016, which ended on 30 September. But negotiations stalled until December, when then-president-elect Donald Trump personally intervened, threatening to switch orders for the F-35 to the Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornet unless Lockheed dramatically lowered prices.

On 3 February, the White House announced a “hand-shake” deal with Lockheed, claiming a $728 million savings. That included a $696.4 million savings by comparing the unit recurring flyaway costs of the 90 F-35s acquired in Lot 10 with the 57 jets purchased in Lot 9. The remaining $33.6 million in savings came from ancillary and support equipment, such as spares, according to Lockheed.

Lockheed, however, remains unsatisfied with the pricing of F-35s in Lot 9, which the JPO imposed unilaterally last November after negotiations dragged on for more than a year, Tanner says. Lockheed reserves the right to appeal the Lot 9 prices in the US Court of Federal Claims, unless the JPO agrees to unspecified “considerations”, he adds.

Meanwhile, Lockheed has already started negotiations with the JPO over the Lot 11 contract, which is expected to lead to a signed contract by the end of the year, Tanner says.

“We’d like to think we could [Lot] 11 done in a sooner fashion than we’ve done it previously,” he says.
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Air Force Brat

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Yep but i don't think it is necessary to be a military expert, enginneer, warfighter etc... for to be aware about military armament if you have good reading you can be aware

Her problem to his author don't consider mainly :

- F-22 APG-77 can be little locatable but how to be sure... i add EM emissions are the more locatale and up to very far after visual and IR.
But T-50, J-20 doubtful can have also a radar as it... to consider US ar very good for radars modules and in the general the best for electronic others especialy a people ... think to be very capable how you build modern armament since only 15 years don' t take me for an idiot...

- F-35 agility i think he consider Block 2B also difficult to find infos for last blocks especialy STR/ITR data extremely difficult to have.
Mainly he ignore
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Distributed Aperture System (DAS) and it is an enourmous fault ! coz the pliot look much more fast around, allow fired SR AAMs without look ennemy on 360° and in addition detect far ennemy missiles quite sure compensate F-35 is less agile

Despite it is clear even if agility increase as i have mentionned the F-35 is not a F-22, T-50 for climb rate, turn rates he want about a F-16 can' t manoeuver on the spot as fighters with vector thrust which can " dance " on the spot that can allow to be exceeded and have ennemy more vulnerable.

You make some excellent observations, I'm rather certain somebody good in the F-35 will be able to "hold his own and give it back mano a mano", and if the F-22 and F-35 are at some point allowed to "go at it", at some point the F-35 driver is gonna "get" an F-22. In the recent "Red Flag" the F-35 had an upfront kill ratio of 15 to 1,,,,, that's astounding if true, I doubt anyone on this forum really understands exactly what that means, and this is the F-35s debut at Red Flag. The F-35 was also able to penetrate very Hostile Airspace, and take out the Surface to Air threat, while the F-22s and the "jammers" engaged enemy counter air.

I'm Master Forbin's biggest fan brother,,,, you are as straight a straight shooter as ever was, I just don't want you putting our boy Picard's or Pierre's "bad numbers" into your computer..there is little doubt from AFB's "field of view" that nothing on the planet is a threat to the "Queen" on a daily basis, but the F-35 is her little sister..

Those folks who talk down on LockMart, should remember what they have given us in the past, just exactly what we asked for, and a lot more, look at the SR-71, and the C-130. LockMart brings a lot more to the table every day, especially when we are talking "black birds"!
 
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