F-35 Joint Strike Fighter News, Videos and pics Thread

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A 33rd Aircraft Maintenance Squadron weapons load crew loads a live AIM-120 AMRAAM into an F-35A Jan. 31, 2017, at Eglin AFB, Fla. The 33rd Fighter Wing loaded and shot the first air-to-air missiles from an operational F-35A at Tyndall Air Force Base later the same day. Air Force photo by SSgt. Peter Thompson.
comes from 2/3/2017
F-35A Fires First Air-to-Air Missiles
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I wonder about what's not described inside which is: what did they shoot at? did they hit? or the missiles were maybe only, what's the word, released?
 

Jeff Head

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I'm hearing a lot of hate building up specifically aimed at the F-35C at the moment. The 'anti-F-35' brigade, having realised they won't get the whole program cancelled, seem to have directed their campaign at a specific variant, the Navy's C model, as it is the furthest from entering service and has a few teething problems (mainly associated with the nose leg oscillating too much at the start of the catapult stroke leading to physical pain in the pilot's necks. The weight of the helmet might be a contributory factor too...)
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The underlying theme seems to be as usual an attempt to get the Super Hornet selected instead of the lightning (for international customers as well as the USN). The Super Hornet is an amazing aircraft to be sure, but it is the aircraft of today, not tomorrow. If the C is cancelled the USN will become the poor relation of the US armed forces in terms of capability, and would have to rely on it's 'junior service' the USMC to provide it's first strike aircraft (F-35B) on 'day one' of a campaign and follow up with 'bomb trucks', the Super Hornets.

We are of course talking about the future, i.e. five years from now and for the next three or four decades. The SH is a fine match for potential adversaries flying now, but this is about facing threats still in development. Back in the forties the Grumman Hellcat was one of the best fighters in the world, but how would the US have faced the future back then if they had said it was 'good enough' and cancelled new aircraft development? Into the sixties facing Mig 21s, 23s etc. with Hellcats? I'm exaggerating a bit but the point is still valid. Ten years from now the SH will still be a valid and viable frontline aircraft, but twenty years? Thirty years?

If the C is cancelled (and I truly hope not) then the only viable option for the USN would be to buy the B model and start integrating STOVL operations onto the big deck carriers (it has been done before, as far back as the mid 70s a USMC Harrier sqn was assigned to the air wing of the USS Franklin D Roosevelt on her final deployment and was able to fit in with the normal deck cycles quite easily. View attachment 36155

I think it's a 'manufactured crisis' myself, the naysayers have been trying to cancel the F-35 program for nearly two decades and have so far failed miserably. You can criticise the financial side of the program and the management of it, but the cold hard fact is the plane is amazingly capable. The guys who have flown it don't want to go into battle in anything else they have ever flown, including F-15s, F-16s, F/A-18s, Harriers, Typhoons, Tornados, you name it. These are seasoned veterans for the most part, and it's their own lives they are risking in combat. When they say THIS is the aircraft they want to have strapped to their backs when the fur starts flying, believe them.

If you want to put LockMarts management against a wall and line up a firing squad, that's an entirely different matter...
YEs, the love to hate the JSF, and they want to single out the F-35C.

But here in the states, which is the only place likley to use the Charlie...it simply is not going to happen.

it's a stealth bird off of a carrier for HEavaen's sake./ it has a longer rnage than the Super Hornet and can carry a LOT of ordinance.

It's sensor fusion capability will revolutionize naval air combat and strikes.

It has been blowing away the testing to date as well.

The F-35C will be on the carriers, and it will be a very healthy and critical addition, improvements, and compliment to the US advantage at sea.

The Ford class will use them very well too, once those vessels take advantage of the absolute wealth of new technologies, innovations, and war fighting capability they will bring to the sea too.
 
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Air Force Brat

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YEs, the love to hate the JSF, and they want to single out the F-35C.

But here in the states, which is the only place likley to use the Charlie...it simply is not going to happen.

it's a stealth bird off of a carrier for HEavaen's sake./ it has a longer rnage than the Super Hornet and can carry a LOT of ordinance.

It's sensor fusion capability will revolutionize naval air combat and strikes.

It has been blowing away the testing to date as well.

The F-35C will be on the carriers, and it will be a very healthy and critical addition, improvements, and compliment to the US advantage at sea.

The Ford class will use them very well too, once those vessels take advantage of the absolute wealth of new technologies, innovations, and war fighting capability they will bring to the sea too.

No doubt you're right about the F-35C, and I'm sure the Ford Class will be up to speed at some point?? Both the F-35C and the Ford need one another to achieve the "boy genius" level of performance needed. The F-35C will need to have long legs to take out the targets that are too far out of reach of land based assets.
 

Jeff Head

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No doubt you're right about the F-35C, and I'm sure the Ford Class will be up to speed at some point?? Both the F-35C and the Ford need one another to achieve the "boy genius" level of performance needed. The F-35C will need to have long legs to take out the targets that are too far out of reach of land based assets.
The F-35C, without refueling, has longer legs than the Super Hornet. She has been designed to control up to three UCASS each...if our new administration will bring that program back to life (the X-47B was the prototype of that aircraft), and with the F-35Cs driving those very stealthy unmanned aircraft into Indian territory on stealthy Suppression of Enemy Air Defense (SEAD) missions on their front door while they then come in and deliver the big bertha weapons, they will perform exactly as you imagine...and more so. They can also take enemy aircraft on when necessary and have all of the sensors identified and spurressed while doing so.

Like I say, there are a lot of folks who love to hate these aircraft...but they are a lot more capable, a lot better, and will (as I have said) re-rwrite the book on naval warfare for the Charlie version, and the same will go for the Alpha (Air Force) and Bravo (Marines).

The ford carriers are going to enhance those capabilities and when we start doing upgrades to th Super Hornets and make them advanced Hornets (that upgrade can be done on all existing aircraft) it will enhance the entire air wing's capabilities.

...and I believe now we will have actual adult, steely eyed leaders who will have their generals, admirals, and war fighters figure out how best to use these assets...and then they themselves will have a whole new set of powerful tools in any "art of the deal" that they may find it necessary to apply.

I am glad to see it. Any American or true ally to America will be glad to see it happen over the next 8-16 years I hope.
 
No doubt you're right about the F-35C, and I'm sure the Ford Class will be up to speed at some point?? Both the F-35C and the Ford need one another to achieve the "boy genius" level of performance needed. The F-35C will need to have long legs to take out the targets that are too far out of reach of land based assets.
you may want to consider (just a headline, link here: there's no word about F-35C inside for the reason which is obvious; dated February 6, 2017)
Grounded: Nearly two-thirds of US Navy’s strike fighters can’t fly
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perhaps it's not a good idea right now to push for something expensive when "the cheap" is in such a shape
 

antiterror13

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you may want to consider (just a headline, link here: there's no word about F-35C inside for the reason which is obvious; dated February 6, 2017)
Grounded: Nearly two-thirds of US Navy’s strike fighters can’t fly
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perhaps it's not a good idea right now to push for something expensive when "the cheap" is in such a shape

even if it is true ... the USN still by far and far more powerful than the next one (either China, Russia, the UK, France or Japan) ... so perhaps there is no sense of urgency :p
 
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