Espionage involving China

broadsword

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Forbin got it right this time.:D

Replace 'Chinese' with 'whites', or 'blacks', or 'Indians' or 'Japanese', and Yodello's post brings the forum down to the lowest common denominator.
 

Jeff Head

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STOP arguing about a justifiable reaction to a very offensive post on Yodello's part.

Yodello has been warned about this post, and any repeat of such behavior will lead to a long suspension from SD.

In the mean time, let's get back on topic.

Several posters justifiably took issue with that post and reported it.

We do not need to preach at those who did.

We do need to report such behavior when it occurs (as happened) and then get back on topic and within the SD Rules for the thread.

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AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
I just watched Guo Wengui being interviewed on Vice News in his New York Penthouse that real estate records said he bought for $62.5 million. He was arguing with the reporter that was "fake news" and he bought it for $82 million. Most of the interview Guo was using the opportunity to spin showing off his wealth. He said China was going to commit an attack on the US worse than 9/11 because he charges that Chinese hackers used his smart phone to make his yacht break down when he was on it. I'm sure China can commit an attack on the US worse than 9/11 without using a smart phone. He's such a sleazebag that even the reporter was pointing out his hypocrisy and Guo was surprised by the line of questions showing his silent discomfort in an awkward cover-up smile.
 

SamuraiBlue

Captain
Looks as someone totally missed this;

China caught ‘spying’ on the African Union headquarters in Addis Ababa

China has been accused of spying on the African Union (AU) headquarters, in the Ethiopian capital Addis Ababa, which they built in 2012 to house and host continental meetings and the biannual heads of state summit.

An investigation conducted by French media
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and published on Saturday revealed that in the past five years, data from the AU servers in Ethiopia were transferred to servers in Shanghai at odd hours.


“In January 2017, the AU’s technical staff discovered that its servers were strangely active with a peak in data transfer between midnight and 2 am when it’s offices were empty. A computer scientist found that there was a massive transfer of internal data of the AU,” the report said.

Every night, the secrets of the institution were stored more than 8,000 km away from Addis Ababa on mysterious servers hosted somewhere in Shanghai, the report added citing unnamed internal sources.

It also accused the Chinese of opening a window in the computer system of the $200 million-facility which they installed. The breach is suspected to be “intentional” to allow intelligence agencies and hackers to have illegal access to information.....to read more
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The funny thing is Beijing totally denies having to do with this even those they completely funded the construction with their own people and supplies and no Afircans were involved in the construction nor selection of equipment.

From Le Monde who dropped the bomb.

After the hack was discovered a year ago, the building’s IT system including servers was changed, according to Le Monde. During a sweep for bugs after the discovery, microphones were also found hidden in desks and the walls, the newspaper reported.
 

broadsword

Brigadier
Looks as someone totally missed this;



The funny thing is Beijing totally denies having to do with this even those they completely funded the construction with their own people and supplies and no Afircans were involved in the construction nor selection of equipment.

From Le Monde who dropped the bomb.

In case you missed it, the funny thing is that even the African Union Head, also dismissed it as lies:
African Union Head Dismisses China Spy Report as 'Lies'
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The report published by Le Monde newspaper in January claimed that employees at the African Union's Chinese-built headquarters in Addis Ababa revealed that the information from their computers had been regularly copied to servers in China since 2012, citing unnamed AU sources.

African Union chairman Moussa Faki said that reports alleging that China had spied on the bloc's headquarters in Addis Ababa,
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, are "all lies".

"I don't see it is in the interest of China to spy," Moussa Faki Mahamat said during a visit to Beijing.

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He added, standing with Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi, that the accusations were "all lies," adding that no story "can distract us or divert us from our relations."

The President of
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, Pierre Nkurunziza, also called these reports "not justified" and "a way for Western countries to sow enmity between China and Africa."

Nkurunziza pointed out that some Western media use news reports to "disunite other countries and provoke hatred and war." He added that "China and Africa are developing their relations based on the principles of mutual respect and mutual benefit, China is an important cooperation partner for many African countries."

The headquarters of the African Union, worth $200 million was fully funded and built by China in 2012. Some saw this as a symbol of Beijing's desire for influence in Africa and access to the continent's natural resources.
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sequ

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It's obvious that the AU building was bugged and data transferred to China and that the African leaders don't want to escalate the situation. I applaud the Chinese efforts to trade with poor and developing countries on a win-win situation. But using the goodwill of others to spy on one is a big no-no.
 

jobjed

Captain
It's obvious that the AU building was bugged and data transferred to China and that the African leaders don't want to escalate the situation. I applaud the Chinese efforts to trade with poor and developing countries on a win-win situation. But using the goodwill of others to spy on one is a big no-no.

"It's obvious that the AU building wasn't bugged and the data wasn't transferred to China and the African leaders don't want to escalate the non-existent situation."




See? I can talk out of my ass with no evidence whatsoever too. It goes both ways.
 
at first noticed in Russian Internet (
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Botched CIA Communications System Helped Blow Cover of Chinese Agents
The number of informants executed in the debacle is higher than initially thought.
| August 15, 2018, 5:13 PM
It was considered one of the CIA’s worst failures in decades: Over a two-year period starting in late 2010, Chinese authorities systematically dismantled the agency’s network of agents across the country, executing dozens of suspected U.S. spies. But since then, a question has loomed over the entire debacle.

How were the Chinese able to roll up the network?

Now, nearly eight years later, it appears that the agency botched the communication system it used to interact with its sources, according to five current and former intelligence officials. The CIA had imported the system from its Middle East operations, where the online environment was considerably less hazardous, and apparently underestimated China’s ability to penetrate it.

“The attitude was that we’ve got this, we’re untouchable,” said one of the officials who, like the others, declined to be named discussing sensitive information. The former official described the attitude of those in the agency who worked on China at the time as “invincible.”

Other factors played a role as well, including China’s alleged recruitment of former CIA officer Jerry Chun Shing Lee around the same time. Federal prosecutors indicted Lee earlier this year in connection with the affair.

But the penetration of the communication system seems to account for the speed and accuracy with which Chinese authorities moved against the CIA’s China-based assets.

“You could tell the Chinese weren’t guessing. The Ministry of State Security [which handles both foreign intelligence and domestic security] were always pulling in the right people,” one of the officials said.

“When things started going bad, they went bad fast.”

The former officials also said the real number of CIA assets and those in their orbit executed by China during the two-year period was around 30, though some sources spoke of higher figures. The New York Times, which first
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the story last year, put the number at “more than a dozen.” All the CIA assets detained by Chinese intelligence around this time were eventually killed, the former officials said.

The CIA, FBI, and National Security Agency declined to comment for this story. The Chinese Embassy in Washington did not respond to requests for comment.

At first, U.S. intelligence officials were “shellshocked,” said one former official. Eventually, rescue operations were mounted, and several sources managed to make their way out of China.

One of the former officials said the last CIA case officer to have meetings with sources in China distributed large sums of cash to the agents who remained behind, hoping the money would help them flee.

When the intelligence breach became known, the CIA formed a special task force along with the FBI to figure out what went wrong. During the investigation, the task force identified three potential causes of the failure, the former officials said: A possible agent had provided Chinese authorities with information about the CIA asset network, some of the CIA’s spy work had been sloppy and might have been detected by Chinese authorities, and the communications system had been compromised. The investigators concluded that a “confluence and combination of events” had wiped out the spy network, according to one of the former officials.

Eventually, U.S. counterintelligence officials identified Lee, the former CIA officer who had worked extensively in Beijing, as China’s likely informant. Court documents suggest Lee was in contact with his handlers at the Ministry of State Security through at least 2011.

Chinese authorities paid Lee hundreds of thousands of dollars for his efforts, according to the documents. He was indicted in May of this year on a charge of conspiracy to commit espionage.

But Lee’s alleged betrayal alone could not explain all the damage that occurred in China during 2011 and 2012, the former officials said. Information about sources is so highly compartmentalized that Lee would not have known their identities. That fact and others reinforced the theory that China had managed to eavesdrop on the communications between agents and their CIA handlers.

When CIA officers begin working with a new source, they often use an interim covert communications system—in case the person turns out to be a double agent.

The communications system used in China during this period was internet-based and accessible from laptop or desktop computers, two of the former officials said.

This interim, or “throwaway,” system, an encrypted digital program, allows for remote communication between an intelligence officer and a source, but it is also separated from the main communications system used with vetted sources, reducing the risk if an asset goes bad.

Although they used some of the same coding, the interim system and the main covert communication platform used in China at this time were supposed to be clearly separated. In theory, if the interim system were discovered or turned over to Chinese intelligence, people using the main system would still be protected—and there would be no way to trace the communication back to the CIA. But the CIA’s interim system contained a technical error: It connected back architecturally to the CIA’s main covert communications platform. When the compromise was suspected, the FBI and NSA both ran “penetration tests” to determine the security of the interim system. They found that cyber experts with access to the interim system could also access the broader covert communications system the agency was using to interact with its vetted sources, according to the former officials.

In the words of one of the former officials, the CIA had “fucked up the firewall” between the two systems.

U.S. intelligence officers were also able to identify digital links between the covert communications system and the U.S. government itself, according to one former official—links the Chinese agencies almost certainly found as well. These digital links would have made it relatively easy for China to deduce that the covert communications system was being used by the CIA. In fact, some of these links pointed back to parts of the CIA’s own website, according to the former official.

The covert communications system used in China was first employed by U.S. security forces in war zones in the Middle East, where the security challenges and tactical objectives are different, the sources said. “It migrated to countries with sophisticated counterintelligence operations, like China,” one of the officials said.

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“When things started going bad, they went bad fast.”

The former officials also said the real number of CIA assets and those in their orbit executed by China during the two-year period was around 30, though some sources spoke of higher figures. The New York Times, which first
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the story last year, put the number at “more than a dozen.” All the CIA assets detained by Chinese intelligence around this time were eventually killed, the former officials said.

The CIA, FBI, and National Security Agency declined to comment for this story. The Chinese Embassy in Washington did not respond to requests for comment.

At first, U.S. intelligence officials were “shellshocked,” said one former official. Eventually, rescue operations were mounted, and several sources managed to make their way out of China.
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