Discussing Biden's Potential China Policy

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ansy1968

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Harris is not a long time player in Washington unlike Biden, interested to see her policy and so on should she got the office.
@caudaceus @voyager1 we know who is pulling the strings, its not the Clintons, its BHO with willing allies in Pelosi and Schumer. I think when Biden is replace the possible VP pick is Pelosi as stated in the US constitution.
 

voyager1

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Harris is not a long time player in Washington unlike Biden, interested to see her policy and so on should she got the office.
Yes but she ticks all the boxes. "Young", woman, and black. Thats a killer combination for Democrats virtue signalling.

I hope Democrats can resist their inner desires om having the First woman president and a black one together because they wont win the election.
I saw her speaking many times, and she has 000 charisma, 000 authenticity, and 100 "New York cosmopolitan elite" vibe on her which is a no-go in this political atmosphere. Plus she has a very loaded resume when she was prosecuting black people on California.

This is loser combination and I dont think that they could win on the election. They already have other people who are more charismatic than her
 

AndrewS

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Lol seeing all these people anxious about China's GDP growth. They remind me a lot of Gordon Chang.

China is such a huge country that I wouldnt bother too much about the national GDP growth but instead I would look on individual cities and provinces.

Then I would also see rural and urban population's discretionary income growth(whats left after housing, food,taxes, clothing expenses are accounted for)

The Chinese gov is not stupid and thats why it is cracking down on housing expenses. And thats why (partially) it is cracking down on platform pricing commitions and many other things as well.


The only "danger" for the economy is the local gov debt which has being aknowledged by China as the NPC's next 5 year plan characterised it as a "national security issue"

So i am expecting the central gov to turn its ammunition towards the local gov, and because of being a national security issue, the local gov wont find it easy to avoid reducing their debt

@sinophilia

I don't see an issue with the growth rate targets set by the Chinese government

Historically, these which treated as a minimum target, and are regularly exceeded.

The target for 2021 is 6%, but the "consensus" forecast is actually for 8.5% growth this year.

The target to double the real size of the Chinese economy by 2035 implies a 5% growth rate, but each individual province will treat this as yet another minimum. I fully expect average Chinese growth will be higher.

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And people forget about the difference between the rich coast and the poorer interior.

If you analyse GDP per capita at a province level, you can see many coastal areas already in excess of $25,000 per capita, on a PPP basis.

If these areas grow at 5% per year, that becomes $50,000 per capita by 2035, which takes you to fully developed status. So it's probably impossible for them to grow any faster in a sustainable manner.

But in the poorer interior, we can see higher growth rates than the rich coast.
So I reckon we will see 7-8% average growth in the interior for some time yet.

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NiuBiDaRen

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I don't think you can compare Japan with China. South Korea and Singapore had more breakneck speed than Japan, because they're smaller. Japan is ten times smaller than China. Also Japan in its boom days had overvalued real estate and high inflation, an extremely strong semiconductor industry that China is still working on, fewer heads and less trade friction until the US held Japan by its jugular. And perhaps the elasticity of Japan's exports made up for its 'weak' currency.

Are we really comparing an apple, China, with an orange, Japan, as well as making soft racist statements about the country that invented the Walkman, anime and animation film (two different things btw), GameBoy, laptop, bullet train, lithium ion, camera phone, first dedicated aircraft carrier etc as uncreative? Hell they became much less creative after the US clamped down on Japan. Jeez man sinophilia, you tried to shut me up in a previous discussion about Japan by saying they're inferior full stop, but let's be balanced and factual about Japan. Although yes they are a vassal of the United States.

And they average a Nobel laureate every year, South Korea can't produce a single one and China isn't anywhere close to that. We can learn from their boss level physics and chemistry.

Yeah I don't know why Japan is so strong at physics it leaves me head scratching. It's a bit annoying. Well at least they're weaker in semiconductors after being castrated by USA there.
 
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voyager1

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Japan is an absolute industrial juggernaut on advanced technologies. China wished it was as advanced as Japan is in these advanced technologies. IMO, China has approx. a 10 year gap with Japan to reach its level.

Btw, Japan has the highest ranking cluster on the Global Innovation Index 2020, among the world, the Tokyo -Yokohama cluster.

China still has a long way to go to reach this kind of level
 

gelgoog

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Yes but she ticks all the boxes. "Young", woman, and black. Thats a killer combination for Democrats virtue signalling.
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Kamala Harris lost big on the debates against Tulsi Gabbard. That shows how poorly she would have done in an actual election.

I don't think you can compare Japan with China. South Korea and Singapore had more breakneck speed than Japan, because they're smaller. Japan is ten times smaller than China. Also Japan in its boom days had overvalued real estate and high inflation, an extremely strong semiconductor industry that China is still working on, fewer heads and less trade friction until the US held Japan by its jugular. And perhaps the elasticity of Japan's exports made up for its 'weak' currency.

Are we really comparing an apple, China, with an orange, Japan, as well as making soft racist statements about the country that invented the Walkman, anime and animation film (two different things btw), GameBoy, laptop, bullet train, lithium ion, camera phone, first dedicated aircraft carrier etc as uncreative? Hell they became much less creative after the US clamped down on Japan. Jeez man sinophilia, you tried to shut me up in a previous discussion about Japan by saying they're inferior full stop, but let's be balanced and factual about Japan. Although yes they are a vassal of the United States.

And they average a Nobel laureate every year, South Korea can't produce a single one and China isn't anywhere close to that. We can learn from their boss level physics and chemistry.

Like I said here before. Japan also invented the modern blue, violet, and green LEDs and the white LEDs which are used in illumination today and were used in things like Blu-ray players. Japan invented the 3 1/2" floppy disk, the CD, the DVD, and Blu-ray formats. Japanese invented NAND memory. A Japanese was the first to discover and characterize carbon nanotubes. The Japanese made the first AESA radar fighter aircraft (F-2) and first AESA radar air to air missile (AAM-4). They commercialized the first OLED display. They are the world leader in carbon composite materials. To a large degree South Korea surpassed Japan in the semiconductor sector but they never quite dominated the whole suite of hardware and software like the Japanese did. They came the closest to dethroning the US semiconductor industry.

In the late 1980s, early 1990s Japanese semiconductor industry was really advanced. They had the best vector supercomputers, the NEC SX family, which were faster and cheaper than US Cray supercomputers. The US government banned NEC SX supercomputer sales in the USA just to keep Cray in business. They also had their own semiconductor machine tools industry, and their own RISC CPU designs like the Hitachi SuperH which was used in the Sega Saturn and Dreamcast consoles.
 
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NiuBiDaRen

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Japan is an absolute industrial juggernaut on advanced technologies. China wished it was as advanced as Japan is in these advanced technologies. IMO, China has approx. a 10 year gap with Japan to reach its level.

Btw, Japan has the highest ranking cluster on the Global Innovation Index 2020, among the world, the Tokyo -Yokohama cluster.

China still has a long way to go to reach this kind of level
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Remember when USA did the dirty on Toshiba, which it now wants to do with Huawei?

Toshiba had to apologize for being too successful at semiconductors.

Thank goodness China isn't a vassal of USA.
 
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voyager1

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Remember when USA did the dirty on Toshiba, which it now wants to do with Huawei?

Toshiba had to apologize for being too successful at semiconductors.

Thank goodness China isn't a vassal of USA.
Yep. But to be honest Japan didn't have much choice.

The US is basically occupying it. No nuclear weapons. No large army, Navy, airforce. No ability to ensure control of raw materials to feed its advanced industry.

Lets be clear, Japan had already lost when they signed the treaty with the US when they lost the WW2. Its a miracle itself that the US let Japan reach such a high economic level.

So, while I regularly call the Japanese, spineless, i understand how they reached that point and the impossibility to avoid this situation.

Hopefully, Japan wont jumb on the China's containment bandwagon because there will not be any benefit for it and if China manages to win the containment then Japan will have a bleak future in front of it.
 

Petrolicious88

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Japan is an absolute industrial juggernaut on advanced technologies. China wished it was as advanced as Japan is in these advanced technologies. IMO, China has approx. a 10 year gap with Japan to reach its level.

Btw, Japan has the highest ranking cluster on the Global Innovation Index 2020, among the world, the Tokyo -Yokohama cluster.

China still has a long way to go to reach this kind of level
Let’s not forget that Japan was the first Asian country to industrialize. Japan started to modernize in the 1800s while China started in the 1970s.
 
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