@LesAdieux And also the 2019 pandemic. My analyst 2025 there will be parity with self sufficiency achieved. but right now the question is who needs whom?
You talk as if the “genocide” is real
"Muh Uigger genocide" is the "Assad gassed his own ppo" of 2020.
It will end very well for all the ppo pushing this false narrative... because liars are rewarded well in the American policy blob.
It will end very well for all the ppo pushing this false narrative... because liars are rewarded well in the American policy blob.
Now i will you a warning, what follows below is part of my thinking on this issue, this took me about 1 hour to write, it is quite long but presents my very nuanced thinking and sometimes Orwellian doublethink on this matter. Note that this is a written from a westerner's point of view with not full knowledge of chinese history.
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This is a complex matter which needs in-depth discussion so i will say some of thoughts here.
There is a difference between genocide and cultural genocide, and actually i prefer saying the term extreme cultural assimilation. I am and always will be against as well as the rest of the world (i.hope so!) to genocide.
Regarding what is happening in Xinjiang i would say it is extreme cultural assimilation of Uighurs with forced reeducation. So normally this process would take a lot years like generations of people, you can see this happening in the US where the 2nd or even 3rd generation of immigrants truly become "Americans" (culturally).
Now on China the problem is that (i dont know a lot of chinese history so please excuse any mistake i may make) China didnt properly integrate the Uyghurs into the nation (i dont know the reason, maybe fearing revolt?). So when the terrorist attacks started to happen in China on the 2010s(and earlier?), a lot of Uyghurs were easy targets to be converted as they lived in poverty and didnt feel like they were chinese, different customs in culture, clothing, language, different music, and i assume different treatment(discrimination) from authorities and many other policies which i probably dont know.
Now you will tell me that different music and clothes and other things are small details and they dont matter but the truth is that little by little, combined with extreme poverty(main issue IMO), next to Afghanistan, and probably with some help by CIA all this combined and started radicalising the local population and then started the terroist attacks and general unrest on the region.
Now in my opinion, after the CCP realised the mistake they made (yes i mostly blame them for not properly integrating Uyghurs in the past) they panicked and responded with the ruthless method we are now witnessing on Xinjiang.
Now Xi himself probably feels pressured internally and externally to integrate them as fast as possible with the least problems so the security issue is resolved(avoid external terrorism aid from certain countries...) but the problem is that they are humans and not robots so this cultural genocide must be made ruthlessly without any western solutions( like wait for 2nd, 3rd generation).
The elites and leaders of the world know the reason but because CCP tripped itself.in its quest to become a global power by leaving hidden dangers(the other danger being Hong Kong) now they can find a morally right hill(rightly so, and actually this exposed a shortcoming/flaw of the chinese political system) to accuse China and with great effect if i can say so.
Now after all this, back to your question .
Objectively, due to the CCP mistakes and paranoia of not integrating Uighurs, yes cultural assimilation/genocide Uighurs is absolutely necessary for the rise of China as a global power now. No country with a potential pool of 12 million people receptive to terrorism influenced from Afghanistan and Syria is going to go anywhere. China would have their own mini-Afghanistan inside their own country, combine this with inevitable Indian and US support for terrorists and you can see this where this is going i think.
Now in regards to your 2nd question about if outside people should support Xi. Absolutely no. People should not support Xi or any of this stuff, now you may say western countries benefited from the same policies hundreds of years ago.and that would be true. But people are hypocrites by their nature. Western people(me included) will rightly say sorry that they benefitted from plundering the rest of the world but then they will brush it off that it was not them and not their decision which would be true as well.
So as you can see people want to feel good with themselves and will grasp at any reason, and with this happening on China i wouldnt expect any outside support for China. You should probably wait for China to become.a superpower to make people afraid and probably some other dozens of years, 50-60, to make people forget and say that Xinjiang happened in the past and it wasnt my decision although by then you would have benefitted as well (hypocrisy, its a circle first it was in the West and by that time in the future it will be in China)
Now i will say this in case anyone here is chinese and is reading this and feels strange while him and everyone else is supporting Xi. Xi from a westerner's perspective is totally wrong on the Xinjiang issue but from a chinese perspective i believe he is absolutely correct in doing so now because in the past CCP sat on the thumbs playing around and now China's rise as a global power depends on integrating the Uighurs in China as efficient as possible disregarding any human right concerns. So Xi faced the dilemma to either commit human abuses (not killing) to ensure that the country can truly rise or wait it out and ensure his country become a mini-Afghanistan, and it seems that Xi has decided the first.
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Man that was tiring, i will save this so i dont ever need to write this again. Nice intellectual exercise though!
Oh yea, forgot this insightful gem from a State Department diplomat. This is what they think of Chinese ppo lol.
What Americans did to the Native Americans, Chinese, and African Americans such the Chinese Exclusion Act, slavery and other atrocities against minorities are considered crime against humanity or genocide. Making comparison between what Chinese did now to what Americans did to native Americans back then is just absurd.
What you should be comparing is so called America as a melting pot when non-English speakers were forced to speak English and learn American culture. It is what Americans did to other white people that don't speak English such as Dutch, German, and French etc. Or when native Americans kids were taken away from their parents and placed under White people's home. Another thing you can compare about is Anti-Catholicism in the United States and how Americans treat those Catholics. Or Japanese Internment Camps which is much worse than what China did now.
Even today, the US and most Western countries still practiced cultural assimilation but it got a more fancy name such as Westernization, Modernization and liberalization. So no, calling China genocide is just a pathetic attempt to distort the truth. What China did in XJ is Modernization, liberalization and poverty alleviation.
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It is completely outrageous, outrageous, and an insult to the memory of the past, to see how the word "genocide" is used with frivolity
this is the clear demonstration of the unbreathable spiritual climate of a west empire that suffocates consuming fantasies
this is the clear demonstration of the unbreathable spiritual climate of a west empire that suffocates consuming fantasies
I wrote something similar a few years back, but I don't see China as a global power being the driver for Xinjiang policy.
Here's some more things to consider
Germany also has an issue with generations of Turkish Muslim guest workers who formed an economic and social underclass in Germany, partly because they couldn't speak German very well and also because they weren't assimilated enough into modern society.
The Uigher Muslims in Xinjiang are in a similar position as a demographic minority who are also an economic and social underclass who don't generally speak Mandarin very well. Plus many of their traditional beliefs are at odds with participation in a modern society. Note that I have actually been to Xinjiang a few times and have seen this first hand.
So if the Uigher Muslims remain Turkic in terms of linguistics and culture, they will be unemployable and trapped as a resentful economic and social underclass. So the Uighur Muslims do need to become more like the Hui Muslims who are linguistically and culturally Chinese.
Personally, I also think China could wait a few generations for natural assimilation to kick in.
It would be a natural consequence of a prosperous China, combined with the entire education system being switched to Mandarin instead of Uighur.
But I can also see how the re-education camps will achieve their objectives after a few years.
It's already been done and proven successful on a smaller scale in Tibet.
Plus also consider that the Chinese government officials today remember when they were re-educated back in the days of Mao. So they know it can work and also have first-hand experience of what this means.
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I doubt the coming decade will see anything as bad as the Cuban missile crisis when humanity faced nuclear Armageddon and extinction.
There is so much more economic and people exchanges between China and the USA.
Plus the ideological competition is nowhere near as bad.
But yes, after 2030, tensions should subside as China accelerates away from the USA.
I don't see any benefit in more actions in the SCS.
China already has 3 mutually-reinforcing megabases in the area. That's significant redundancy and resilience.
Extra bases will only result in a marginal increase in China's ability to secure the shipping lanes or project military power in this area.
The money would be better off building more ships for power projection.
How would one tackle problem of radicalism, terrorism and poverty in Xinjiang. Certainly not through a loose form genocide that you alluded. China does not deprive them of learning own language and culture or even their religion. What is forbidden is the practice of Wahhabism and religious zealotry.
Original idea was probably slow assimilation process, but it became more pressing due to widespread religious radicalism or intolerance that has taken hold in recent years. Braking the stranglehold of religious radicalism requires considerable deradicalization effort and giving them ample economic opportunities. I would think this is a more humane approach than doing nothing about it. Doing nothing means creating an atmosphere of hatred, poverty and violence to perpetuate.