Discussing Biden's Potential China Policy

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ChongqingHotPot92

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The War against Western the American, German trained and equipped KMT doesn't count? The Korean War where the U.S. suffered it's longest retreat in one of the battles against a piss poor equipped Chinese volunteer forces with minimal logistical support not to mention almost non existent Armour and air power. The 1962 War against India where China spanked the Indians so hard that they're still smarting about that loss to this day. Then there was a brief battle against the Soviet Union where the Chinese forces stood their ground despite the severe imbalance of power, they even managed to captute a Soviet tank in the process. The Sino-Vietnam war accomplished the tasks and goals set out by Chairman Deng.

The arguments made by that monkey on YouTube is no different than what most of us can read on the bazillion of pseudo experts on Reddit that keeps on ragging the PLA. I mean if China is that easy to beat then why couldn't they have invaded the country a long time ago when it was relatively weak in almost every aspect.
It is definitely very tempting to assume that the PLA is incapable of putting up a fight against US forces due to lack of combat experience since 1979. It is even more tempting to assume that an average PLA infantry and pilot would be inferior to the USMC infantry/pilot due to lack of realtime combat experience and high-quality gears. However, one cannot overlook the massive 2015-2020 PLA reform. The reform did re-equip the 2-million strong military with lots of new gears and completely brought about a new command structure. Never underestimate a potential foe, because your current experience may not be useful against new ones.
 

Maikeru

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It is definitely very tempting to assume that the PLA is incapable of putting up a fight against US forces due to lack of combat experience since 1979. It is even more tempting to assume that an average PLA infantry and pilot would be inferior to the USMC infantry/pilot due to lack of realtime combat experience and high-quality gears. However, one cannot overlook the massive 2015-2020 PLA reform. The reform did re-equip the 2-million strong military with lots of new gears and completely brought about a new command structure. Never underestimate a potential foe, because your current experience may not be useful against new ones.
It will take time for those reforms to bed in though, and there is still the lack of recent combat experience in the PLA. That said, the kind of wars the US has been fighting bear little relevance to a war with the PLA in the SCS/ECS - there's been very little air to air, armoured or naval combat, for example in the last 40 years. The extensive experience of the British and French armies in 'brushfire' colonial wars in the 1920s and 1930s didn't help them against the German Blitzgreig in 1940.
 

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I don't know how US combat experience of bombing primitive savages that have no air defense or occupying urban areas against suicide bombers or guerilla-warfare can help US in pitched seabattles around Taiwan or South China Sea contigency. These Western analysis have an IQ of a peapod. Zero self-reflection and awareness.
 

ChongqingHotPot92

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It will take time for those reforms to bed in though, and there is still the lack of recent combat experience in the PLA. That said, the kind of wars the US has been fighting bear little relevance to a war with the PLA in the SCS/ECS - there's been very little air to air, armoured or naval combat, for example in the last 40 years. The extensive experience of the British and French armies in 'brushfire' colonial wars in the 1920s and 1930s didn't help them against the German Blitzgreig in 1940.
Just like the Boer War and other counter-insurgencies that the Brits fought during the 1890s and 1900s did little to prepare the Empire against the onslaught of the Kaiser's imperial army (and Navy, despite having fewer capital ships). Had the United States not entered WWI, Germany may have had a good shot at overthrowing Pax Britannica.
 

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Ironic part is 70% of Americans support withdrawal from Afghanistan, but you would NEVER know that reading Western mainstream media. That just proves that corporate media don't represent the will of the American people, but the will of the American elite and warmongering class. It's also why American public trust in mainstream media hit an all-time low. For reference, in 2019, US dropped record-breaking 7400 bombs that killed over 1500 people (including 600 civilians collaterals), but there was only 24 minutes of prime-time TV coverage on Afghanistan by three major networks. Basically, US media doesn't give a SHIT about Afghanistan, want to stay in Afghanistan forever and forever because they arewarmonger imperialist pricks.
 
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Hendrik_2000

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Well the deep state promise to turn on the heat on China There is this one airforce general that want to built Gee whiz weapon to scare China. the response come quick Here it is

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The US is really butt-hurting right now when they talk up confrontation against China right after their failure in Afghanistan. You know they lost when you see the right talk about how they lost to themselves not the Taliban. They're using how politicians tied their hands behind their backs excuse like they did with Vietnam. They just want to kill every one in sight to show'em how tough they are and save face. I think the Soviets were brutal and did they succeed? US and British special forces now want permission to stay in Afghanistan to avenge the 13 that died. That's a human rights massacre waiting to happen. If they knew where all of them are, they would've eliminated them already meaning if they stayed to seek vengeance, they would be killing people they just suspected. And they're waiting for the Taliban to give permission...? Yeah they know that isn't going to happen so they're just saying it to save face. It's like Ian Bremmer right after Kabul fell said in an interview that Biden should've set up a fake negotiation with China to get them involved like in drone strikes and then when Kabul falls they can lay the blame on China for the failure in Afghanistan. How? First of all hindsight is 20/20. The US never thinks failure can happen to them so they wouldn't have thought up such a back-up plan in the first place. They admit they are capable of such lies to the world. And now they're writing how China is going fail in Afghanistan as in sending troops in after the US. Why would China send in troops? It's all a distraction from their failure in Afghanistan.
 

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Some thoughts on Climate Change and US-China competition.

In a cold war competition scenario, there's no point in China aggressively pursuing lower emissions.
Solar is currently still more expensive than coal inside China, but this is changing. Give it another 5-10 years.

But look at the climate change issue.

China is sticking with 2030 for peak emissions, whilst the US wants 2025.

And in the event of climate change, I reckon American, Europe and Japan will be hurt more. This would be due to:

1. the effect on the Atlantic currents which transfer heat to NE America and also to Europe which is mostly at Canadian latitudes. The Pacific currents are much simpler and less prone to disruption from melting ice.
2. the much longer coastlines of Europe, North America compared to China.
3. in Europe, North America and Japan, the population distribution is skewed towards the coasts. In comparison, China's population distribution is skewed more inland. You can look at the population distribution maps yourself.

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So if you use the logic of being cold war enemies, China can accept a higher level of risk from climate change destruction and rising sea levels than the USA.

China would actually be happy to forego a cold war and focus on domestic development.
After all, China is still only a middle-income country and knows that it can still grow to 2x and then 3x larger than the USA

In comparison, if the USA wants to remain a global hegemon, it is the USA that needs to forge a hostile cold war coalition against China.
 
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