Discussing Biden's Potential China Policy

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AssassinsMace

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If the US was planning to decouple from China, no need to spare China being labelled a currency manipulator. The fact is US companies that outsource will be the big loser because an increased value in currency means the more it costs them hence why the US is afraid. Why would they be afraid if they were planning on decoupling? Decoupling would raise their costs even more than just labelling China a currency manipulator. Trump didn't do it because he knew US corporations that outsource would pay the penalty. All their threats are about scaring China into submission.
 

panzerfeist1

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Hmmm he is trying to start a fight against Russia and China with a economy that is so ill equipped right now given the supply shortage and current pandemic and all the jobs lost along with multiple nations starting to move away from their orbit, I honestly wonder what can go wrong this time considering all those other conflicts in last ten years haven’t exactly land a real profit (in fact Afghanistan is a bottomless pit when it comes to unnecessary money spending)

America would immediately see mass desertions because everyone now realizes just how pozzed it is. Nobody wants to die in a Chinese rice field in the name of trannies, ghetto welfare, usury, and Lockheed-Martin's stock price.
America's only recruits would be felons, 3rd world immigrants and ghetto rats with room temperature IQs and zero discipline, who are just as likely to loot their unit's armory and run off with as much equipment as they can as they are to obey their orders and fight.
Disgruntled veterans and police officers would form the core of the rebellion in America. The government, having zero authority and effectively being at war with itself and America's civilians as much as it's at war with China and Russia, would be totally ineffectual on either the domestic or foreign fronts. Watching the feds try to manage the disaster would be like watching someone try to start a car with the engine removed.
The disparate rebel groups would be unified at first thanks to their mutual hatred of the federal government, but soon after the feds are defeated they will turn on each other because everyone in America hates each others guts. There is no sense of philia left in America at all, no common values, no common origins, it's been completely mongrelized.
The Mexican cartels, seeing a golden opportunity to seize formerly Mexican territory (which is now full of illegal hispanic immigrants) would overrun the southern states, especially California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas. They would entice regular Mexicans to join them by rebranding themselves as Mexican nationalists, re-conquering rightful Mexican clay from the tyrannical northern gringos.
Upon Russia and China watching their mutual nemesis violently implode under the weight of its own corruption and incompetence, China and Russia would call a ceasefire and blockade America to prevent any of its allies from sending troops to aid the federal government in re-asserting its power. America is doomed, the end.

Europe's situation(western) isn't any different with migrants that embrace Sharia law. Both sides cutting down on land nukes while treating Asian and white communities like shit in the U.S. we literally use Chinese Americans against Russians in ICPC contents, physics and math school competitions, etc. No oil pipeline across Syria to Europe because of Russia, largest oil reserve Venezuela not over thrown because of Russia, Biden refusing oil drilling in the Arctic while Russia is taking advantage of it along with Nord Stream 2 about to be complete. I mean is the U.S. government being financially influenced by China and Russia? These fuck ups are way too monumental to cover up, which is why I asked that question, its on a national emergency scale.
 

emblem21

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America would immediately see mass desertions because everyone now realizes just how pozzed it is. Nobody wants to die in a Chinese rice field in the name of trannies, ghetto welfare, usury, and Lockheed-Martin's stock price.
America's only recruits would be felons, 3rd world immigrants and ghetto rats with room temperature IQs and zero discipline, who are just as likely to loot their unit's armory and run off with as much equipment as they can as they are to obey their orders and fight.
Disgruntled veterans and police officers would form the core of the rebellion in America. The government, having zero authority and effectively being at war with itself and America's civilians as much as it's at war with China and Russia, would be totally ineffectual on either the domestic or foreign fronts. Watching the feds try to manage the disaster would be like watching someone try to start a car with the engine removed.
The disparate rebel groups would be unified at first thanks to their mutual hatred of the federal government, but soon after the feds are defeated they will turn on each other because everyone in America hates each others guts. There is no sense of philia left in America at all, no common values, no common origins, it's been completely mongrelized.
The Mexican cartels, seeing a golden opportunity to seize formerly Mexican territory (which is now full of illegal hispanic immigrants) would overrun the southern states, especially California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas. They would entice regular Mexicans to join them by rebranding themselves as Mexican nationalists, re-conquering rightful Mexican clay from the tyrannical northern gringos.
Upon Russia and China watching their mutual nemesis violently implode under the weight of its own corruption and incompetence, China and Russia would call a ceasefire and blockade America to prevent any of its allies from sending troops to aid the federal government in re-asserting its power. America is doomed, the end.

Europe's situation(western) isn't any different with migrants that embrace Sharia law. Both sides cutting down on land nukes while treating Asian and white communities like shit in the U.S. we literally use Chinese Americans against Russians in ICPC contents, physics and math school competitions, etc. No oil pipeline across Syria to Europe because of Russia, largest oil reserve Venezuela not over thrown because of Russia, Biden refusing oil drilling in the Arctic while Russia is taking advantage of it along with Nord Stream 2 about to be complete. I mean is the U.S. government being financially influenced by China and Russia? These fuck ups are way too monumental to cover up, which is why I asked that question, its on a national emergency scale.
Now that is a fantasy that is unlikely to ever come true a decade ago. Now however, if the USA completely fails to mitigate their own crisis and if that earthquake really does happen, well the USA would most likely go down that path although it is possible that worse is likely to happen, since almost none of the leaders their are capable in the slightest
 

AssassinsMace

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So I'm watching a cable news show this morning and they were talking about US intelligence labeling China as the greatest threat to the US and one of the pundits who was an intelligence officer fired by Trump was asked an example of how is China the greatest threat and he said China challenges the US's narrative on genocide of Uighurs. China dares to have a different take from the US and that makes China a threat.
 

Bellum_Romanum

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So I'm watching a cable news show this morning and they were talking about US intelligence labeling China as the greatest threat to the US and one of the pundits who was an intelligence officer fired by Trump was asked an example of how is China the greatest threat and he said China challenges the US's narrative on genocide of Uighurs. China dares to have a different take from the US and that makes China a threat.
That intelligence officer doesn't possess any discernable Intelligence other than to peddle their new slot machine talking points for the new sexier bogeyman that's China. They have exhausted and extracted what they could on Islamic terrorism their previous existential civilizational war since it no longer captures the imagination of the ever gullible sheeps and monkeys of the western world led by America.

I hope China and all it's leadership have already come to this sad realization that any relationship with the U.S. can never be seen or must not be treated in any meaningful sense. The relationship must be transactional and that the lives of Chinese people must come first and always before the needs and interests of these ungrateful western vampires.
 

voyager1

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That intelligence officer doesn't possess any discernable Intelligence other than to peddle their new slot machine talking points for the new sexier bogeyman that's China. They have exhausted and extracted what they could on Islamic terrorism their previous existential civilizational war since it no longer captures the imagination of the ever gullible sheeps and monkeys of the western world led by America.

I hope China and all it's leadership have already come to this sad realization that any relationship with the U.S. can never be seen or must not be treated in any meaningful sense. The relationship must be transactional and that the lives of Chinese people must come first and always before the needs and interests of these ungrateful western vampires.
The Chinese need to build a monument for Xi. Can you imagine if a West-friendly person became the new Chinese President in 2012...

Can you imagined if he didnt clean up the corruption and the western-capitalist lovers from China's gov?

Can you imagine if the Made in 2025 program was not announced to upgrade the technology of China to make it survive independently (except Chips and some other tech).

China would now being held hostage at gunpoint from the US if China hadn't be prepared.

The West can hate Xi all they want, but IMO he saved China from becoming a de-facto US vassal
 

quantumlight

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China and all it's leadership have already come to this sad realization that any relationship with the U.S. can never be seen or must not be treated in any meaningful sense. The relationship must be transactional and that the lives of Chinese people must come first and always before the needs and interests of these ungrateful western vampires.
Americas relationship with China has always been predatorial... use China for cheap labor to export its dollar and keep inflation low at home, then the plan was to harvest China by kneecapping China with a Plaza Accord 2.0 once China got ripe enough...

Funny the coincindences of African Swine Flu wiping out Chinese pig farms forcing China to buy more pork from US farmers, then the Hong Kong riots that sparked due to a Tiawanese murder case, and one week after Trump settled the Phase I Trade Deal (aka Plaza Accord 2.0 failed) we get the news of the "China Virus" blowing up in Wuhan.... Later right when China signed contract with Lebanon to expand its BRI there, Beirut port blows up... and Ever Given draws a dick pic before getting stuck in a birth canal...

Funny funny how the world works...
 

SpicySichuan

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Well, I hypothesize that Biden is still concentrating his resources on strategic competition with China, while deemphasizing other foreign policy issues. You got to pick the fight with the strongest challenger (and win) if you hope to maintain your #1 place. First, Biden is withdrawing from Afghanistan even if it meant a Taliban takeover (thus, another Vietnam-like humiliation for Washington), but who cares, confronting China is more important now. Secondly, Biden has just called off warship deployment to the Black Sea and proposed a meeting with Putin, albeit Putin almost derailed his election bid. Why, because Russia is a declining power (at least for now), and Washington needs to make sure that Moscow and Beijing does not get too close. It is much easier to woo a declining great power than to try bargain with a rising power with ever increasing sense of entitlement. Washington does not have much to lose even if Russia invades Ukraine, but it would have a lot to lose (such as the potential collapse of its alliance system in Asia) of it loses Taiwan to China. Ultimately, there's the Taiwan Relations Act, but nothing similar in Washington covers Ukraine. That's my take...for now, but it might change. Finally, while Russia still ahead of China in major heavy industrial sectors, China is catching up fast and has the long-term potential to threaten American position at the top of global value supply chain.
 

voyager1

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First, Biden is withdrawing from Afghanistan even if it meant a Taliban takeover (thus, another Vietnam-like humiliation for Washington), but who cares, confronting China is more important now.
I agree partially. don't forget that Afghanistan could play a central role on the BRI and bring it closer to Pakistan Sphere of influence and ultimately to China's. It also borders China...

Free from US troops, it could form a mega economic block of Afghanistan-Iran-Pakistan-China. Now of course, this is for the future. Afghanistan and Iran need a Lot of investment to jump start their economy. However it must be noted that even though the US could leave I am sure that the CIA will remain.


Why, because Russia is a declining power (at least for now), and Washington needs to make sure that Moscow and Beijing does not get too close. It is much easier to woo a declining great power than to try bargain with a rising power with ever increasing sense of entitlement.
I disagree that Biden is letting off Russia. Jump to the "Breaking News | World thread" and read the post regarding the newly announced sanctions. In short, they are a significant escalation restricting US financial insitutions from holding Russia's debt (bonds).
IMO, Biden is gearing up for an eventual SWIFT banning of Russia. We will see.
Finally, while Russia still ahead of China in major heavy industrial sectors, China is catching up fast and has the long-term potential to threaten American position at the top of global value supply chain.
I dont think that the industries of US are too much threatened by China at the moment.

Russia is definetely threatened, I would even say that it has been already displaced but I haven't read too much into this so I am not sure

Now who is truly threatened more than anyone else is the EU. The EU has historically inserted itself into the value chain as an intermediate value-added supplier. However with China's industrial upgrade, the chronically underfunded, bureaucratic EU is in major danger from being replaced by China.
 
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