Discussing Biden's Potential China Policy


gelgoog

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Well that is the thing. The largest communist nations were in a sense the most backwards like Russia and China.

In a sense Marx has failed thus far because none of the countries which he expected to become communist eventually have done it thus far.

Russia (Soviet Union) had some success basically jumping from feudal to communist. A success not without its issues but it also had some successes. The electrification and industrialization drives mostly worked. Agriculture was a failure. So basically China emulated that. The problem, I think, was when China expelled Soviet advisors and tried to do the Great Leap Forward. Even the Soviets basically imported a lot of know-how to be able to do the Stalin 5-year plans. They did not attempt to do the industrialization on a vacuum.
 

horse

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Many Western capitalist countries have state owned corporations that have no competition.

Capitalism doesn't mean competition, and Socialism doesn't mean no competition.

Again, learn more about Marxism before you summarily dismiss it based on your own flawed understandings.
Are you a true believer in Marxism?

I do not believe you are.

You just repeated everything I know, just like everyone else knows about it. That should be educational for some reading the message. Kudos to that. That is what we are here for.

Are you really saying that this last 40 years the best in all of Chinese civilization, is just a transitory phase? It could be. Who knows.

Then again, I believe in Chairman Mao. That is why he wanted to root out the counter revolutionary undercurrents.

In his view, the Marxist never really defeated the reactionaries, and the latter may rise again and come back to defeat the revolution.

It does not look like the Marxist won in China today.

It is a real and legitimate question. In Marxism as a force for change really dead?

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The reactionaries are in charge in China. They just borrow some Marxist teaching to pretend they are still Marxist.

Is this statement true or false?

I believe the correct answer is, we don't know.

:D
 
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voyager1

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Are you a true believer in Marxism?

I do not believe you are.

You just repeated everything I know, just like everyone else knows about it. That should be educational for some reading the message. Kudos to that. That is what we are here for.

Are you really saying that this last 40 years the best in all of Chinese civilization, is just a transitory phase? It could be. Who knows.

Then again, I believe in Chairman Mao. That is why he wanted to root out the counter revolutionary undercurrents.

In his view, the Marxist never really defeated the reactionaries, and the latter may rise again and come back to defeat the revolution.

It does not look like the Marxist won in China today.

It is a real and legitimate question. In Marxism as a force for change really dead?

------------ ------------ ------------

The reactionaries are in charge in China. They just borrow some Marxist teaching to pretend they are still Marxist.

Is this statement true or false?

I believe the correct answer is, we don't know.

:D
Excuse me but why do you make this discussion on this thread. This is obviously for Biden and the US.

If you could, please continue your convos on the China Political Discussion thread
 

spring2017

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The last 40 years has been the best 40 years for the unwashed masses in China, which itself is revolutionary. Everyone knows market reforms and not central planning was the source for all of that.
First of all, the statement is not correct. The source of rapid PRC development is precisely state support of research and production, otherwise capitalist market economies like India or Brazil would not have stuck in inferior growth comparing to China.

More over, China is not state-capitalist. Capitalism has indeed made significant inroad in China, causing typical syndromes of capitalist economy, such as over production and rich-poor disparity, which leads to ever slowing economic growth. But China is not "state-capitalist" like the west likes to claim, and that's why Chinese government is striving to eradiate poverty and has not bullied and invaded other smaller countries like a typical capitalist power would do.

Thirdly, Marxism is even relevant to the topic of this thread. From Marxist perspective, it is easy to see that imperialist U.S. will never tolerate PRC's development, not only due to racism, but more importantly due to the fact that China is demonstrating a superior non-capitalist system, and that's of mortal threat to the ruling class of capitalist powers.

Ironically, you would do much better in stock market if you actually mastered the Marx's economic theory. With the help of machine learning, Marx theory can help you to predict and saving yourself from the market crashes resulted from inevitable periodic crisis in capitalist economies.
 

horse

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Excuse me but why do you make this discussion on this thread. This is obviously for Biden and the US.

If you could, please continue your convos on the China Political Discussion thread
As I understand it, Biden is using MMT, the Modern Monetary Theory.

Other people call it, More Money Today theory, but that appears to be what the Biden people are using, in their contest with China for world influence.

The MMT, correct me if I am wrong, is Marxist in origin.

So in my view, this is like all connected. Is Marxism relevant? Maybe we find out with MMT?

But anyways, if this is not what is expected from this thread, guess we stop.

:)
 

BrightFuture

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I doubt they teach Marx in MBA school.

I guess you never studied in a Chinese university. First and foremost, learning about Marxism and Communism is obligatory in Chinese universities regardless of the degree you are studying. Secondly, I'm currently studying a degree in BA in a Chinese university, and they not only teach us about Communism and Marxism, but also knowledge related China's current socialist economic system (社会主义市场经济).

By the way, if anyone still doubts that China will continue to develop and evolve towards socialism, this is a good read:
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spring2017

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Excuse me but why do you make this discussion on this thread. This is obviously for Biden and the US.

If you could, please continue your convos on the China Political Discussion thread
My friend, it is actually very relevant for this thread, as Marx perspectives could tell us how Biden (or any U.S. administration) would behave. Biden's attitude toward China is ultimately not determined by his personal thought, but the class interest of American capital.
 

spring2017

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Look mate, Marxism is a revolutionary tool. Not a tool for goldenboys and investors. It exposes the lies and the detachment from reality of the economics of capitalism, not a method to correct capitalism. Proven itself in practice , so it is not just a theory. ANW telling in common view that Marxism is not useful because it fails to warn you the exact moment of a capitalist crisis , to help you to correct and relocate your investments, is somewhat rediculous.
And it's funny in general, to see people crying about the West, their politics, economics etc but they do have the exact same mindset. Western style politics and economics create certain types of mindsets. If PRC rot and decay into a capitalist democracy, do not expect any difference compare to USA,UK,EU in global or internal governance . The ethical advantage of Marxism and consequently of Socialism is why me and you share a common interest of PRC's evolution
I agree with you. Of course Marx did not develop his theory to help the capitalist. "The point is to change the world".

In fact, Marxist economic theory is even more powerful than we realize before. Our machine learning model shows, program Marxist theory of capitalist economy into the computer, feed it with decades of economic and financial data, it can successfully predict every economic crisis (and the resultant market crashes) in the past outside of training period, including the so-called impossible to predict black-swan of 2008. It has also forecasted 2020 market crash, ahead of time.

This demonstrates the correctness of Marx economic theory, just as Einstein's theory of general relativity was proved to be correct by physics experiment long after its invention.

Back to the topic of this thread, Marxist social theory will also help people to predict the behavior of capital governments.
 

solarz

Brigadier
Are you a true believer in Marxism?

I do not believe you are.

You just repeated everything I know, just like everyone else knows about it. That should be educational for some reading the message. Kudos to that. That is what we are here for.

Are you really saying that this last 40 years the best in all of Chinese civilization, is just a transitory phase? It could be. Who knows.

Then again, I believe in Chairman Mao. That is why he wanted to root out the counter revolutionary undercurrents.

In his view, the Marxist never really defeated the reactionaries, and the latter may rise again and come back to defeat the revolution.

It does not look like the Marxist won in China today.

It is a real and legitimate question. In Marxism as a force for change really dead?

------------ ------------ ------------

The reactionaries are in charge in China. They just borrow some Marxist teaching to pretend they are still Marxist.

Is this statement true or false?

I believe the correct answer is, we don't know.

:D

I am not a "true believer" of anything. I simply see with my own eyes what China has achieved in the last 40 years and what the CPC is achieving right now.

I believe the CPC is Marxist because what they are doing now aligns with Marxist ideology.

As amazing as the past four decades have been, everything I'm seeing right now leads me to believe that the best is yet to come.
 

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