Discussing Biden's Potential China Policy


Crang

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Not for lack of trying; the Pivot to Asia was an attempt to really try and contain china but China ended up calling their bluff and now the rest of ASEAN doesn't bother with the SCS and as Duterte pointed out, refuse to be sacrificial lambs for american policymakers.
Yes but the ten years in between was extremely valuable. China grew by 6 times in those years. If US had started containment then, China would have been in a far weaker position

In 2001 GDP - 1.3 trillion US
2011 GDP - 7.5 trillion
2016 GDP (when non-US TPP was signed) - 11 trillion

TPP would have been the biggest way to contain China, signed 2016. But China was already 11 times bigger than in 2001. Imagine if US took a hard turn towards containing China in 2001, when China was much much smaller then, instead of 2011 and later. That's why USA becoming completely distracted in 2001 was a godsend
 
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W20

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Joe Biden: "Nothing will fundamentally change"

what has changed is the passage of time, we are in the year 2020: Washington is not going to change, but the world has changed
 

gelgoog

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America was planning to contain China in the early 2000s, but 9/11 sidetracked them. That gave China breathing space for quite a few years. It was a godsend.

And America got itself stuck in two wars, siphoning off a lot of money.

It was written right there in the Project For the New American Century document by Paul Wolfowitz & co that the US was going to invade Iraq and North Korea once Bush Jr. was elected. Then they were going to use Iraq as a springboard to threaten Iran and Saudi Arabia if they got out of line. You can guess what they needed North Korea for. The North Korean invasion never happened because the US had to go into Afghanistan. Now they got nukes.
 

bajingan

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It was written right there in the Project For the New American Century document by Paul Wolfowitz & co that the US was going to invade Iraq and North Korea once Bush Jr. was elected. Then they were going to use Iraq as a springboard to threaten Iran and Saudi Arabia if they got out of line. You can guess what they needed North Korea for. The North Korean invasion never happened because the US had to go into Afghanistan. Now they got nukes.
the americans are delusional if they think they can invade north korea like iraq like walk in the park even back in 2000s
south korea wouldn't be too excited having seoul levelled by nk artillery either
 

gelgoog

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It is all written here in case you guys didn't read it back then two decades ago. The invasion of Iraq planned just before 9/11.
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steel21

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with anything CSIS, Intelligence Square of NDU can put out.

I've been to NIU debates held in MD, nice campus, but the "expert" they got are all crusted ass dinosaurs. These are supposed to be the cream of the crop, top of the line analysts...... Fundamentally, the problem with US and Western narrative is that they lack self criticism and critique of their system.
 
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steel21

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Does anyone have a full presentation, not from falun gong source?
It is all written here in case you guys didn't read it back then two decades ago. The invasion of Iraq planned just before 9/11.
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These fool.....

All they can ever think about is military projection and expenditure.

The real threat is in national competitiveness, in the lack of quality education of American youth, the lack of industrial policy and leadership from the core.

When the economic heft and innovation prowess withers, the military is only another 5-10 years behind.
 

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