Discussing Biden's Potential China Policy


AssassinsMace

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Hard to believe Trump would get to this point but then I read that Trump is basically doing nothing as President since he's a loser and feeling that way so he's basically letting departments do what they want like I read that he told Pompeo he can do whatever he wants except starting WWIII. It's funny they paint China so evil yet they always believe China won't react strongly when provoked like Canada kidnapping Meng for Trump's trade war. Or look at Australia doing Trump's dirty work. Pundits are saying China still needs Australia pointing to how minor China's bans are to the over all trade picture for Australia. Then why did they make a big deal over nothing? China accomplished it's mission. If this deal happens, China should start buying from Canada things it got from Australia and let the Australians see how their five eyes ally backstabbed them.
 

weig2000

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Hard to believe Trump would get to this point but then I read that Trump is basically doing nothing as President since he's a loser and feeling that way so he's basically letting departments do what they want like I read that he told Pompeo he can do whatever he wants except starting WWIII. It's funny they paint China so evil yet they always believe China won't react strongly when provoked like Canada kidnapping Meng for Trump's trade war. Or look at Australia doing Trump's dirty work. Pundits are saying China still needs Australia pointing to how minor China's bans are to the over all trade picture for Australia. Then why did they make a big deal over nothing? China accomplished it's mission. If this deal happens, China should start buying from Canada things it got from Australia and let the Australians see how their five eyes ally backstabbed them.

"Without the United States, Canada doesn't have a China policy."

This says it all. LOL. The rest of report are full of BS.
 

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Hard to believe Trump would get to this point but then I read that Trump is basically doing nothing as President since he's a loser and feeling that way so he's basically letting departments do what they want like I read that he told Pompeo he can do whatever he wants except starting WWIII. It's funny they paint China so evil yet they always believe China won't react strongly when provoked like Canada kidnapping Meng for Trump's trade war. Or look at Australia doing Trump's dirty work. Pundits are saying China still needs Australia pointing to how minor China's bans are to the over all trade picture for Australia. Then why did they make a big deal over nothing? China accomplished it's mission. If this deal happens, China should start buying from Canada things it got from Australia and let the Australians see how their five eyes ally backstabbed them.

I think China shouldn’t make any deals with the Americans on Meng. If she is extradited to the US, China should immediately execute the Canadian spies and arrest some American spies.

China can then offer Canada a ‘reset’ and see how they like to be on the receiving end of that short of slap-you-in-the-face-and-then-call-for-reset bullshit.
 

LawLeadsToPeace

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I think China shouldn’t make any deals with the Americans on Meng. If she is extradited to the US, China should immediately execute the Canadian spies and arrest some American spies.

China can then offer Canada a ‘reset’ and see how they like to be on the receiving end of that short of slap-you-in-the-face-and-then-call-for-reset bullshit.

Based on Hua Chunying's response (
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), it looks like the Chinese rejected the US's offer:

"Bloomberg: There have been news reports that the U.S. Justice Department is in talks with Meng Wanzhou's legal team about a possible resolution in the legal case against the chief financial officer of Huawei. The deal, if signed, could allow her to return home from Canada in exchange for admitting criminal wrongdoing. Does the foreign ministry have any further information or comments on it?

Hua Chunying: I don't know where this information came from. But frankly speaking, the report reminds me of the 2013 book American Trap by former Alstrom executive Frédéric Pierucci, in which he described what he had gone through in a very detailed manner. What you've just mentioned is almost the same with his experience.

China has an explicit position on this issue. Ms. Meng Wanzhou is innocent. The nature of the Meng Wanzhou incident is very clear. It is entirely out of the U.S. government's political agenda to suppress Chinese hi-tech enterprises, and Canada played a very disgraceful role in this process. This is in every way a grave political incident.

China once again urges the US side to immediately withdraw the arrest warrant and extradition request for Ms. Meng Wanzhou, and urges the Canadian side to immediately release Ms. Meng Wanzhou so that she can return to China safely at an early date."
 

hullopilllw

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There are some in Dem Part that still hopes that somehow the rise of China, be it economically or geopolitically, can be stalled and hopefully reversed. IMHO, the only ways remotely possible are :

1. Someone like Gorbachev come to power in China.
2. Create a huge scale armed conflict(external factor)and use military conflict to bring down China.

First option is highly unlikely given how nationalistic and confident the Chinese people are today and going forward.
The second method has a huge risk for US herself.
 

hullopilllw

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Based on Hua Chunying's response (
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), it looks like the Chinese rejected the US's offer:

"Bloomberg: There have been news reports that the U.S. Justice Department is in talks with Meng Wanzhou's legal team about a possible resolution in the legal case against the chief financial officer of Huawei. The deal, if signed, could allow her to return home from Canada in exchange for admitting criminal wrongdoing. Does the foreign ministry have any further information or comments on it?

Hua Chunying: I don't know where this information came from. But frankly speaking, the report reminds me of the 2013 book American Trap by former Alstrom executive Frédéric Pierucci, in which he described what he had gone through in a very detailed manner. What you've just mentioned is almost the same with his experience.

China has an explicit position on this issue. Ms. Meng Wanzhou is innocent. The nature of the Meng Wanzhou incident is very clear. It is entirely out of the U.S. government's political agenda to suppress Chinese hi-tech enterprises, and Canada played a very disgraceful role in this process. This is in every way a grave political incident.

China once again urges the US side to immediately withdraw the arrest warrant and extradition request for Ms. Meng Wanzhou, and urges the Canadian side to immediately release Ms. Meng Wanzhou so that she can return to China safely at an early date."

Note the "Canada played a very disgraceful role in this process. This is in every way a grave political incident. "

It means that even with the release of Meng, Canada will have to face retaliation FOR the act of initial arrest. Those 2 Canadians are mere collateral damage.
 

bajingan

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There are some in Dem Part that still hopes that somehow the rise of China, be it economically or geopolitically, can be stalled and hopefully reversed. IMHO, the only ways remotely possible are :

1. Someone like Gorbachev come to power in China.
2. Create a huge scale armed conflict(external factor)and use military conflict to bring down China.

First option is highly unlikely given how nationalistic and confident the Chinese people are today and going forward.
The second method has a huge risk for US herself.
If the us start a conflict against China without provocations, then the us will forfeit all of its military bases in japan and south korea, because they will rightfully become targets of China ballistic missiles and no countries will ever again let america open any military bases in their territories
 

quantumlight

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There are some in Dem Part that still hopes that somehow the rise of China, be it economically or geopolitically, can be stalled and hopefully reversed. IMHO, the only ways remotely possible are :

1. Someone like Gorbachev come to power in China.
2. Create a huge scale armed conflict(external factor)and use military conflict to bring down China.

First option is highly unlikely given how nationalistic and confident the Chinese people are today and going forward.
The second method has a huge risk for US herself.
Xi still has 15 years to catch up to Bidens age by the time he wraps up his first term...
By then China already well surpass the point of no return in securing its place as ascendant #1 on unstoppable trajectory
 

hullopilllw

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Hi ansy1968,

1. What I got out of that article was the history lesson, where we general know the dates, but at least someone wrote it up about the reforms. The western views were never implemented, therefore those opinions are erroneous without meaning. This is the Chinese Communist Party, and that means there is the material dialectic. Material means real, and western opinions are not real. So I can only take the history story out of it.

2. That other forum tends to be a tough place. That's why I really like making jokes there. If the jokes fail, then you hear about it, lol! That is where I practiced all my joke making abilities, all at CMF. If it is funny there, then it is funny everywhere. People are sharp there. This forum is more polite. If my joke sucks, no one will tell me!

3. Today, after some discussion, there probably is another hidden point in that article. No plan B.

The Americans say, do this. When China does something else, well, that's it. No plan B.

That was the same pattern through the article over the decades. Western expectations are not really expectations, they more or less demands, but China said hell with that, and did their own thing.

Trump was not incompetent, he was just the same. Trump starts the trade war, then there was no Plan B. When China joined the WTO, under western conditions, there were loopholes or things no one thought of where the Chinese started to operate. No Plan B.

That is the other point I see in that article. Maybe we kind of feel it when we read it first, but do not realize it, because it is hidden and not explicit.

Guess the Americans were that strong they never felt the need for a plan B when dealing with China.

:D

Note, if there is no Plan B ... and Plan A did not work ...

That means the rise of China is unstoppable!

Insert sinister laugh here!

:oops: :p

I think there are some still rational voice in the US that has just taken the backseat so far. The Trump admin choose the most practical option first because why not try? By starting a Whack-A-Mole hard-hitting style against China in hope that China will settle for an unequal treaty to castrate her own manufacturing industries, like what Japan did almost 3 decades ago. That is the easiest method if China is a fool.

If that approach ultimately fail, then the US policy makers will have to learn and live with the reality of a world order in which US is no longer the leader. The US is still weighting the options. The decision makers in Pentagon are highly rational and think in a realpolitik manner. They know how many lives will be lost if the US attempt a war with China(at her coastal regions) with no guarantee of victory, and the geopolitical cost it will incur.
 

quantumlight

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I think there are some still rational voice in the US that has just taken the backseat so far. The Trump admin choose the most practical option first because why not try? By starting a Whack-A-Mole hard-hitting style against China in hope that China will settle for an unequal treaty to castrate her own manufacturing industries, like what Japan did almost 3 decades ago. That is the easiest method if China is a fool.

If that approach ultimately fail, then the US policy makers will have to learn and live with the reality of a world order in which US is no longer the leader. The US is still weighting the options. The decision makers in Pentagon are highly rational and think in a realpolitik manner. They know how many lives will be lost if the US attempt a war with China(at her coastal regions) with no guarantee of victory, and the geopolitical cost it will incur.

Had Bush not done 911 and remained focus on containing China after that figther jet spy plane incident, US would have easily contained China... in essence they got too greedy and wanted to have cake (Middle East) and eat it (China) too but in the end might end up with nothing and in the scrap pile of history

Hubris is how empires fall

They got too greedy and overestimated themselves while underestimating China...
Combination of hubris, avarice and racism
 

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