CV-17 Shandong (002 carrier) Thread I ...News, Views and operations

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Jeff Head

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Uppps .. still no paint, here's a better image also dated 20. November (thanks for Your own hint at the FF).

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Even though it is three months old...it is a nice pic.

The latest that we have seen still show no painting...though I believe one recent one looked like they were preparing her for painting.

I am still saying it will be in the 2nd Quarter at the earliest before they launch her...but that is not long now.

I am excited to see her launched, outfitted and then on her first trials. It would be nice PR t have the Liaoning show up for some pictures of the two together during that first trial.

Liaoning CV-16 with Shandong., CV-17. Historic times for the PLAN!
 
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MwRYum

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Uppps .. still no paint, here's a better image also dated 20. November (thanks for Your own hint at the FF).

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Well you obviously not looking at the calendar...it's the CNY week so most of the workforce gone back to their hometown for the week, and typically take another week for them to filter back to the urban centres and back to work.

Better luck during the 4th week of this month.
 

vesicles

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Well you obviously not looking at the calendar...it's the CNY week so most of the workforce gone back to their hometown for the week, and typically take another week for them to filter back to the urban centres and back to work.

Better luck during the 4th week of this month.

I myself dread this time of the year. Every year around the Chinese New Year, half of my lab is gone (in fact, half of the Texas medical center is gone) and almost all the work grinds to a halt... and most of them don't take a week off, not even 2 weeks off. They all take an entire month off... February happens to be grant submission time. So it's typically extra busy, but the lab is half empty...

My guys work their butts off all year and absolutely deserve the time off. I fully support their wish to be with their families during the holiday season. I just wish they spread the vacation days throughout the year...
 

Hendrik_2000

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Interesting concept Drone taking off from Stobar carrier apparently it is under study for a long time
From Henri K. I wouldn't surprise if type 01A or CV17 will be equipped with naval drone
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The Chinese navy is in the process of studying the possibility of taking a 13-ton drone on its aircraft carriers (STOBAR), if one believes in an R & D document published by four of its researchers in May 2016 .

In this study "Reasearch on the Ski-Jump Taking off Performance for a UAV", a team from the Aeronautical and Aerospace University of the Chinese Navy conducted take-off simulations on a sky jump for a drone weighing 13,500 kg Different conditions of aircraft and carrier.

We learn for example that when the drone took off from the runway of 195 meters (200 meters in the study) of an aircraft carrier "similar to Kuznetsov", ie 16 Liaoning and soon her sistership Type 001A , and Under a head wind of 10 m / s and a temperature of 15 ° C, a minimum T / W (Thrust-to-weight) ratio of 0.37 would be required for the take-off to proceed safely.

Other parameters that may have an impact on take-off have also been studied, such as the wind speed on the flight deck, the latitude of the aircraft carrier (variation in atmospheric density) and temperature ... etc.

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This study, funded directly by the NSFC (National Natural Science Foundation of China) of the State Council, has given some recommendations "that will be used to support the upstream endowment of drones by aircraft carriers". For example, it recommends a minimum wind speed of 20 kn on deck (obtained either by vessel speed or meteorological condition) to secure the take-off of the drone, or to increase the thrust of the drone engine when the aircraft carrier Is in an area of latitude around 40 ° N.

Apart from the technical simulations, two interesting points can be noted in this study.

First, what was that drone that was used as a reference model for calculations and had a take-off weight of 13,500 kg? This figure on its mass, quite precise, does not seem to be given at random. We know for example that the drone nEUROn has a MTOW weight 7000 kg, while the X-47B took off at a maximum of 20,215 kg.

This Chinese naval drone cited in the study is clearly larger than the drone flying wing Sharp Sword designed by Shenyang.

As far as its use is concerned, the text highlights several possible naval drone missions, such as long-range strikes, SRI or ELINT, to support surface and submarine naval forces, as well as Coastal defense missions (??).

The second interesting point resides in the three places studied by Chinese researchers - 40 ° N 120 ° E, 35 ° N 120 ° E and 20 ° N 120 ° E. They correspond respectively to the Xingcheng Airborne Training Base, the Qingdao Naval Base where the aircraft carrier Liaoning is based today, and the Bashi Strait in the South China Sea . The latter is one of the two main egress in the Pacific Ocean for the Air Force and the Chinese Navy.

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Hendrik_2000

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The three places studied by Chinese researchers on the influence of latitude on the take-off of drone on springboard

It should be noted that while this recent study by Chinese naval researchers seems to be the first of its kind, at least among non-confidential documents and therefore accessible to the public, research on naval drone in China has begun at least since 1993 , And those on the automatic landing of naval drone since 1994.

We can see this in relation to the date that the academic documentaries have been published, and also to the number of publications per year. Of course, these figures are probably not exhaustive, but it gives us a first idea of the history and the effort employed on these subjects.

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The number of non-confidential publications with the keyword "Naval Drone".

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The number of non-confidential publications with the keyword "Automatic winding".

There is thus a clear increase in research in the field of automatic landing during the last 10 years, something that has also been observed in some events organized by Chinese manufacturers.

For example, in the 2011 edition of the "International Drones Innovation Prize" organized by the Chinese AVIC aircraft, one of the main events is to ask the participating drones to drop "bombs" on several targets, Then put on a reduced model of aircraft carriers, all in autonomous mode.

Several Chinese universities and research offices sent their drones to raise the challenge. Two of them, the mini drone flying wing Tian Nu (天弩) 601 Shenyang Institute, and the drone Yue Long (跃龙) 611 Chengdu Institute, attracted many looks.


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The rules of an automatic landing test in the international prize of innovation of the drones organized by the AVIC group (Source: AVIC)

he Tian Nu drone (弩 弩) of the 601 Shenyang Institute in the automatic landing test (Source: 威猛)
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Hendrik_2000

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The Yue Long (跃龙) drone designed by the 611 Chengdu Institute, capable of taking off over a very short distance.

It is unclear at this time when STOBAR aircraft carriers will be equipped with their first fixed-wing drones, but several projects are currently under development at various Chinese universities and industrial companies.

One of them has already been seen on a satellite image, in front of the two aircraft carrier catapults - one in steam and the other in EMALS - which are located at the naval Xingcheng Naval Training Center Chinese.


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A long-range drone in front of the two catapults at the Xingcheng Training Center (Source: 军事 军事)

To be continued.

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