CV-17 Shandong (002 carrier) Thread I ...News, Views and operations


Ndla2

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Audio is missing for part of the video, you can find the official video at
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Recent documentary on the history of China's naval ship designs including Typer 51, Type 52, Type 54 and CV-002. Some interesting facts include time between start of construction to commission was 6 years. The ski ramp angle was less than that of Liaoning to decrease the impact the plane have on the ship, this was was debated previously in this thread. Best use before date for nuclear weapon was 30 years, and 25 years for missles.
Wonder if you could elaborate at little bit more on the part that i have highlighted. Thank you in advance.
 

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We have no evicence, that the ski ramp angles of Kuznetsov, Liaoning and Shandong are not the same. Just constant repetitions due to an assertion. We know the details of different ship lengths, which are definitely wrong.
 

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“China Shipbuilding Industry Corp has never announced the angle, but the blueprint for the Liaoning shows that the angle on its ramp is 14 degrees,” Beijing-based naval expert Li Jie said.
“But based on the thrust of the J-15 fighter jet, many experts believed the ramp angle on the Shandong would have to be reduced a little,” he said.
Hong Kong-based military commentator Liang Guoliang said the ski-jump angle on the Liaoning – a Soviet-designed Kuznetsov-class carrier China bought from Ukraine in 1998 – was designed to accommodate Russian Su-33 Flanker fighters.
“Four options for the ski-jump ramp angle – eight, 12, 14 and 16 degrees – were tested,” Liang said. “More powerful aircraft need a lower angle, and it’s a fact that China’s J-15 is more powerful than the Su-33.”
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The Chinese r pragmatic & don't do anything more complicated than necessary, so it's a safe bet the rump on the CV-17 has lower angle.
 

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We have no evicence, that the ski ramp angles of Kuznetsov, Liaoning and Shandong are not the same. Just constant repetitions due to an assertion. We know the details of different ship lengths, which are definitely wrong.
The information come from the documentary aired on cctv that i have linked. The documentary also included an interview with one of the ship designer for Shandong so i would consider it as credible source.
 

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Having done some more research, there appears to be conflicting information. I would appreciate if someone could link to some authoritative information on the Admiral Kuznetsov and ex-Varyag design.

On Admiral Kuznetsov
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say the flight angle is 12 degrees, while other say 14 or
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, 14 being short hand for 14.3 degrees.

On Liaoning, all sources seems to agree on 14.3 degrees or 14 degrees as commonly given figure.

On Shandong, there was a previous CCTV news report saying the angle was 14 degrees see
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say the angle was reduced. It is worth noting the first is a news report that might just be the news writer that did the research instead of an expert and in second video it was a presenter talking point so also not 100% reliable.

What is know is that Shandong is not a straight copy of Liaoning and additional design improvement have been made. See
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for an interview with one of the ship designer talking about a new propeller design for Shandong and additional simulation and optimisation on the ship shape. There is very much possibility that flight deck angle was changed.

Sidenote: it is worth watching the videos in
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on some close up shots of Shandon and some internal shots.
 

by78

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A satellite image. Lots of tire marks as well as markings before the blast shields, among others.

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