CV-17 Shandong (002 carrier) Thread I ...News, Views and operations

[kwaigonegin]

How about we rephrase it as among the most advanced aircraft carrier of it's type in the world?

 

[Iron Man]

That would depend on how big the differences in capability are between 001A and the carrier classes which are more capable than it and the carrier classes which are less capable than it.

I'm not exactly sure what you're arguing here but I'm pretty sure it is a DOA argument.

 

[Blitzo]

I'm not exactly sure what you're arguing here but I'm pretty sure it is a DOA argument.

I think our definitions of "amongst the best" might differ.

 

[fatfreddy]

I think our definitions of "amongst the best" might differ.

A bit of pointless discussion. Like my son giving me a report card and telling me he got number 15 which wasn't bad until you realise theres only 20 in the class. Amongst the best would be meaningless as there isn't, as far as I know, anyone among the worst. I would expect every countries aircraft carriers to be among the best except when it transitioning to another even better.

 

[Iron Man]

I think our definitions of "amongst the best" might differ.

"Among the best" certainly doesn't mean "middle of the pack" in anyone's vocabulary.

 

[Blitzo]

A bit of pointless discussion. Like my son giving me a report card and telling me he got number 15 which wasn't bad until you realise theres only 20 in the class. Amongst the best would be meaningless as there isn't, as far as I know, anyone among the worst. I would expect every countries aircraft carriers to be among the best except when it transitioning to another even better.

Well, if your son at number 15 got a percentage score of 75, the others got a score from 100 to 75, and places everyone else in places 16 to 20 got 50 or below, then how is "amongst the best" measured?

"Among the best" certainly doesn't mean "middle of the pack" in anyone's vocabulary.

Again, that depends on how good each carrier class is relative to everyone else first.

 

[Iron Man]

Again, that depends on how good each carrier class is relative to everyone else first.

Not much of a comparison. The nuclear carriers outmatch CV-17 handedly, and CV-17 does not outmatch QE at all, and may in fact be worse in overall capability, who knows. CV-17 edges out Kuznetsov, Vikrant, and Vikramaditya, but not by very much. The only carriers that CV-17 handedly outmatches are the little Italian CVEs. Like I said, middle of the pack, but not among the best. CV-18 will be; it will probably edge out Charles de Gaulle if it is as big as rumored and has cats, fixed-wing AEW/C, etc. But certainly not this one.

 

[Blitzo]

Not much of a comparison. The nuclear carriers outmatch CV-17 handedly, and CV-17 does not outmatch QE at all, and may in fact be worse in overall capability, who knows. CV-17 edges out Kuznetsov, Vikrant, and Vikramaditya, but not by very much. The only carriers that CV-17 handedly outmatches are the little Italian CVEs. Like I said, middle of the pack, but not among the best. CV-18 will be; it will probably edge out Charles de Gaulle if it is as big as rumored and has cats, fixed-wing AEW/C, etc. But certainly not this one.

In that case the area of contention is probably how much CV-17 edges out Kuznetsov, Vikrant and Vikramditya by, as well as where CdG sits in terms of between the USN CVNs and the CVF and CV-17 carriers.

 

[Iron Man]

In that case the area of contention is probably how much CV-17 edges out Kuznetsov, Vikrant and Vikramditya by, as well as where CdG sits in terms of between the USN CVNs and the CVF and CV-17 carriers.

Not sure why you keep belaboring this inanity except that you hate admitting you were wrong. It's pretty obvious where the CV-17 stands in relation to other carriers.

 

[delft]

and CV-17 does not outmatch QE at all, and may in fact be worse in overall capability, who knows.

QE's are STOVL carriers for the next years without aircraft. China has a superior electronics industry. In what respect do you think they might outmatch CV-17?