Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

[Deleted member 23272]

Who gives a s..t..these losers aren't all Chinese or living in China but are mostly based in Taiwan and elsewhere.

They didn't win jack shit. It was already been heavily suspected prior to the western hijacked protests that the central government was going to loosen up the rules/revised the dynamic covid-19 policy. The implications of what you wrote viciously suggest that CPC change in policy is sudden which means without careful thought and planning, haphazard which could result and lead to an even more negative outcome which is flat out ridiculous.

Quit reading too much into those losers commentaries since they never represent the true sentiment of the Chinese people at all. Rebel? Please....more like losers.

Well with what was supposed to be a gradual process becoming an almost overnight lifting of restrictions in Tier 1 cities, could you blame people for assuming that the protesters won rather than this all being a coincidence that they protested right when the government was already going to ease Zero Covid?

Anyhow why is this a bad thing? The episode proved you don't need a democracy to have a government for the people, by the people. Not to mention it debunks one of the enduring narratives that China has a strong government but weak civil society, while India has a weak government but strong civil society. Chinese people hold their government accountable when they cross the line, Indians go along with whatever their craziness their government has in store as long as they continue to let them hate Muslims.

 

[LawLeadsToPeace]

It looks like Lanzhou, which is in Gansu province, is following suit:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1598925403644907520

Based on how the Chinese talked about Long Covid and Omicron and how they are reopening up their cities and vaccinating the elderly, I think China is most certainly opening up with a more precise version of quarantining.

 

[KYli]

Well with what was supposed to be a gradual process becoming an almost overnight lifting of restrictions in Tier 1 cities, could you blame people for assuming that the protesters won rather than this all being a coincidence that they protested right when the government was already going to ease Zero Covid?

Anyhow why is this a bad thing? The episode proved you don't need a democracy to have a government for the people, by the people. Not to mention it debunks one of the enduring narratives that China has a strong government but weak civil society, while India has a weak government but strong civil society. Chinese people hold their government accountable when they cross the line, Indians go along with whatever their craziness their government has in store as long as they continue to let them hate Muslims.

Not sure what you are talking about. Most restrictions are still in place. It is just relaxing of some restrictions.

MSM won either ways. They have won everyday and all day and all the time. Basically, they would have won if China didn't reopen. If China decided to reopen, they would have won by saying so many deaths occur. Most MSM already claiming the reopening would result in many deaths but just a few days ago they said protesters demand of reopening is a victory for them. How can they lose when most people are so brainwashed?

As for a gradual reopening, there is a sign that the central government was lifting some restrictions when they cut the quarantine for arrivals from 21 days to 10 days a few months ago. The new 20 guidelines further enforced the fact that more restrictions would be lifted. However, the protests might have moved up the schedule and forced the government to loose the restrictions quicken than expected but restrictions are still in place.

It would be risky now if uncontrolled rise in cases would result a collapse of health care system but it is a gamble that the Chinese government decided to take.

 

[solarz]

Well with what was supposed to be a gradual process becoming an almost overnight lifting of restrictions in Tier 1 cities, could you blame people for assuming that the protesters won rather than this all being a coincidence that they protested right when the government was already going to ease Zero Covid?

What overnight lifting of restrictions? There weren't any restrictions in Shanghai in the first place!

 

[LawLeadsToPeace]

Also I found this interesting article about the testing companies themselves. It seems that some major testing companies essentially committed fraud:

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[KYli]

The government has launched many investigation towards these testing companies. Many of them would be in serious trouble especially after the gradual phase out of mass testings.

 

[LawLeadsToPeace]

The government has launched many investigation towards these testing companies. Many of them would be in serious trouble especially after the gradual phase out of mass testings.

I saw that part in the article. Im just wondering whether or not this informed the central government’s decision to basically open up one city at time. If test results were faked for the sake of profit, that means it is possible that zero Covid was actually achieved, but it was masked by the criminal activities of the companies.

 

[KYli]

I saw that part in the article. Im just wondering whether or not this informed the central government’s decision to basically open up one city at time. If test results were faked for the sake of profit, that means it is possible that zero Covid was actually achieved, but it was masked by the criminal activities of the companies.

It does both ways. First, there are many cases that were negatives but are reported as positives to prolong the testings. In the other way, a few positives were reported as negatives and deliberately allowed to spread so they could have more rounds of testings. I remember that a few people got arrested by hiding positive cases in Beijing and causing a few more weeks of lockdown.

Either ways, it is wasting precious resources, men powers, and also causing unjustified burden to the people. I think the central government realized it is very difficult to rein in such behavioral as greed isn't something that could be easily stopped. So testings couldn't be used to stamp out the virus any longer.

Although I am worried that further relaxation would result in spike in cases that resemble what had happened in HK. Hopefully, the national campaign of vaccination for elderly would be done by then.

 

[coolgod]

It does both ways. First, there are many cases that were negatives but are reported as positives to prolong the testings. In the other way, a few positives were reported as negatives and deliberately allowed to spread so they could have more rounds of testings. I remember that a few people got arrested by hiding positive cases in Beijing and causing a few more weeks of lockdown.

Either ways, it is wasting precious resources, men powers, and also causing unjustified burden to the people. I think the central government realized it is very difficult to rein in such behavioral as greed isn't something that could be easily stopped. So testings couldn't be used to stamp out the virus any longer.

Although I am worried that further relaxation would result in spike in cases that resemble what had happened in HK. Hopefully, the national campaign of vaccination for elderly would be done by then.

I think this whole testing companies situation is just the central gov looking for scapegoats, and looking for ways to change public opinion regarding to opening up. I'm sure most testing companies make accidental errors, but definitely not the scale and severity as some of these news claims.

 

[KYli]

I think this whole testing companies situation is just the central gov looking for scapegoats, and looking for ways to change public opinion regarding to opening up. I'm sure most testing companies make accidental errors, but definitely not the scale and severity as some of these news claims.

I won't rule it out. However, most of these investigations are resulted from common people that have acknowledge of such matters and reported through social media before the government investigated and arrested some of them.

Thing is even with just some rogue companies or employees, the consequence is still enormous due to the fact that mass testings rely upon accuracy to stamp out virus. There are too many accidental errors to claim that it isn't deliberate.

It is like national anthem was switched out and played with riot song by some sport championships for Hong Kong. You can claim the first and second times that it is just an accident but when the third time happened you know for a fact that someone is deliberately trying to sabotage and humiliate and incite troubles for Hong Kong.