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getready

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Places like India, Taiwan, Vietnam and even Japan are now showing they are incapable of containing covid-19, and also unable to scale up their production of vaccines if any. They cannot even order enough vaccines for themselves. India is still bragging about being the largest vaccine maker, when China has administered more than 1.3 billion doses and exported at least 300 million doses.
Japan have been shown to be incapable from the start. From princess diamond cruise debacle to largely ignoring it in hope of preventing OG getting cancelled, to massive lack of testing, to confusing government measures which were derided by many at one point. What basically saved them was their culture of hygiene, wearing masks, not much body contact from greetings compared to say Italians, and a good health care


India is interesting case. They seem to be handling it well at first and some even saying close to achieve herd immunity but then delta happened
 

Quickie

Colonel
China doesn't just brag about being the largest vaccine manufacturer in the world.

Someone here just said China has probably exported at least 300 million doses of the Covid vaccine. It's actually 500 million doses as of today.


World Insights: Providing 500 mln vaccine doses to world, China aims to enhance int'l cooperation against COVID-19

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Photo taken on June 1, 2021 shows vials of the Sinopharm vaccine in Beijing, capital of China. (Xinhua)

As a steadfast advocate for equitable vaccine distribution around the globe, China has supplied 500 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines and concentrates to more than 100 countries and international organizations, accounting for one-sixth of the current global output.
BEIJING, July 13 (Xinhua) -- Chinese vaccines are gathering steam across the world, injecting strong impetus into the global fight against COVID-19 as deaths from the virus topped 4 million worldwide and variants spread to more than 100 countries.
As a steadfast advocate for equitable vaccine distribution around the globe, China has supplied 500 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines and concentrates to more than 100 countries and international organizations, accounting for one-sixth of the current global output.
China has provided more doses to developing countries than anyone else and has vaccine cooperation partners all over the globe, Chinese Foreign Ministry Spokesperson Zhao Lijian said on Monday.
With the support of the Chinese government, Chinese vaccine companies have started joint production in many countries including the UAE, Indonesia, Malaysia, Egypt, Brazil, Turkey, Pakistan and Mexico, with producing capacity exceeding 200 million doses.
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A staff member checks tags on vials of COVID-19 vaccine at a packing line of Sinovac Life Sciences Co., Ltd. in Beijing, capital of China, Dec. 23, 2020. (Xinhua/Zhang Yuwei)
HIGH EFFICACY
Two Chinese pharmaceutical companies, Sinopharm and Sinovac, will provide 110 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines immediately to participants of the COVAX project, announced the global Vaccine Alliance Gavi on Monday.
The Chinese Sinopharm and Sinovac vaccines were approved earlier this year by the World Health Organization (WHO) for emergency use.
"The Chinese government has been actively encouraging and supporting Chinese vaccine research and development companies to participate in the COVAX to provide vaccines to developing countries," a diplomat with the Permanent Mission of China to the United Nations in Geneva said on Monday.
Two doses of the Sinopharm vaccine provide 84-percent protection from death caused by COVID-19, showed a report by the Argentine Ministry of Health based on cases from the country's 24 provinces.
In February, Argentina authorized the emergency use of the Sinopharm vaccine after Health Minister Carla Vizzotti signed a resolution, an official measure which highlighted the "safety, immunogenicity and efficacy" of the vaccine.
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A medical worker prepares to put vaccines developed by Chinese pharmaceutical firm Sinopharm into a refrigerator in La Plata, Argentina, March 3, 2021. (Photo by Martin Zabala/Xinhua)
The South African government, political parties, labor and civil society have given thumbs up to the CoronaVac, also known as the Sinovac COVID-19 vaccine, whose use in the country was approved by South African Health Products Authority (SAHPRA) on July 3.
SAHPRA's Chief Executive Officer (CEO) Boitumelo Semete-Makokotlela said they approved the use of the CoronaVac vaccine based on its safety, quality and efficacy of the data presented to them. South Africa's opposition political party Economic Freedom Fighters also welcomed the Sinovac vaccine, calling on the government to make it available to the people soon.
"The efficacy of the CoronaVac vaccine to the COVID-19 variants that are dominant in South Africa and its safety are essential. We are therefore looking forward to deepening our party to party relations with the CPC (Communist Party of China) and inter alia, scientific cooperation with China in our struggle to overcome the COVID-19 pandemic and resolve underdevelopment," said South African Communist Party General-Secretary Blade Nzimande.
Interim analysis of Phase 3 clinical trial of the CoronaVac vaccine in more than 10,000 participants, aged 18-59, in Turkey suggests the efficacy of two doses of the vaccine is 83.5 percent against symptomatic cases of COVID-19, according to a study published last week in The Lancet, a weekly peer-reviewed general medical journal.
The vaccine -- which has been in Phase 3 trials since mid-2020 in Brazil, Indonesia, Chile, and Turkey -- can be stored and transported at 2 to 8 degrees Celsius, according to The Lancet.
"This could be particularly important for global distribution, as some countries may struggle to store large amounts of vaccine at very low temperatures," said Murat Akova, lead author of the study and a professor at Hacettepe University School of Medicine in Ankara.
The World Health Organization said Monday it believes that Chinese coronavirus vaccines Sinopharm and Sinovac, distributed internationally via COVAX sharing mechanism, were effective enough against the disease.
"At any point, if we have concerns with the efficacy of these vaccines, we would definitely make that known. So, at this point, I think we are confident," WHO Chief Scientist Soumya Swaminathan told a press briefing.

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emblem21

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This just goes to show why the UK will never defeat the virus despite the access to vaccines. Not only they let their guard down but the amount of likes and dislike the video has gotten shows just either how much they no longer care about this virus or just how little support the government has from the people in dealing with this contagion. Either why, bother wave is expected and this one will dewarf the last given that this is the delta we are talking about
 

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Real-life results of the vaccines from the user countries themselves.


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Figures & Facts: Chinese COVID-19 vaccines proved safe and effective across world
Source: Xinhua| 2021-07-13 09:57:21|Editor: huaxia

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Photo taken on June 1, 2021 shows vials of Sinopharm vaccines in Beijing, capital of China. (Xinhua)
BEIJING, July 13 (Xinhua) -- Two Chinese pharmaceutical companies will provide 110 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines immediately to participants of the COVAX project, announced the global Vaccine Alliance Gavi on Monday.
The Chinese Sinopharm and Sinovac vaccines have been approved earlier this year by the World Health Organization (WHO) for emergency use.
China is the world's largest vaccine supplier, having supplied more than 480 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines to the international community, provided vaccine assistance to nearly 100 countries, and exported vaccines to more than 50 countries.
With Chinese vaccines being administered worldwide, they have been found, according to multiple studies, highly effective in preventing infection, hospitalization, severe illness and death from the virus.
Here are some figures & facts:
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SANTIAGO -- China's CoronaVac COVID-19 vaccine effectively prevented COVID-19 in Chile, with the adjusted vaccine effectiveness reaching 90.3 percent for the prevention of severe disease, according to a study recently published in the New England Journal of Medicine.
A nationwide mass vaccination campaign was conducted from Feb. 2 to May 1, and a cohort including approximately 10.2 million people aged 16 years and above was used, according to the study titled Effectiveness of an Inactivated SARS-CoV-2 Vaccine in Chile published.
Among those who were fully immunized, the adjusted vaccine effectiveness was 65.9 percent for the prevention of COVID-19, 87.5 percent for the prevention of hospitalization, and 86.3 percent for the prevention of COVID-19-related death, the results of the study showed.
The CoronaVac, also known as the Sinovac COVID-19 vaccine, is an inactivated virus COVID-19 vaccine developed by Chinese pharmaceutical company Sinovac Biotech.
CoronaVac uses an inactivated whole virus, compelling a recipient's immune system to attack the harmless form of the virus by producing antibodies to fight it off, thus leading to immunity.

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A medical worker receives a dose of China's Sinovac COVID-19 vaccine at the Sabiha Uzun Maternal Child Health Center in Ankara, Turkey on Jan. 15, 2021. (Photo by Mustafa Kaya/Xinhua)
LONDON -- Interim analysis of Phase 3 clinical trial of the CoronaVac vaccine in more than 10,000 participants in Turkey suggests the efficacy of two doses of the vaccine is 83.5 percent against symptomatic cases of COVID-19, according to a study published in The Lancet, a weekly peer-reviewed general medical journal.
The randomized controlled clinical trial was conducted in Turkey using the CoronaVac COVID-19 vaccine, developed by Chinese pharmaceutical company Sinovac Biotech. The trial involved over 10,000 participants aged 18 to 59 years. They were randomly assigned to receive two doses of the vaccine (given 14 days apart) or a placebo.
The preliminary findings indicated that CoronaVac induced a robust antibody response, and no severe adverse events or deaths were reported among the participants. Most adverse events were mild and occurred within seven days of an injection, according to the study.
However, more research is needed to confirm vaccine efficacy in the long term, in a more diverse group of participants, and against emerging variants of concern, said the study.
CoronaVac uses an inactivated whole virus, compelling a recipient's immune system to attack the harmless form of the virus by producing antibodies to fight it off, leading to immunity.
The vaccine can be stored and transported at 2 to 8 degrees Celsius and has been in Phase 3 trials since mid-2020 in Brazil, Indonesia, Chile, and Turkey, according to The Lancet.
"One of the advantages of CoronaVac is that it does not need to be frozen, making it easier to transport and distribute. This could be particularly important for global distribution, as some countries may struggle to store large amounts of vaccine at very low temperatures," said Murat Akova, lead author of the study and a professor at Hacettepe University School of Medicine in Ankara.

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A woman receives a jab of China's Sinovac COVID-19 vaccine in Montevideo, Uruguay, March 1, 2021. (Photo by Nicolas Celaya/Xinhua)

MONTEVIDEO -- The COVID-19 mortality rate among Uruguayans aged 18 to 69 who were vaccinated with Sinovac vaccine fell by more than 95 percent, according to the latest Vaccine Effectiveness report from the Public Health Ministry.
Two weeks after receiving the second dose of the CoronaVac vaccine, developed by Chinese drugmaker Sinovac, mortality fell by 95.3 percent among the vaccinated population aged 18 to 49, and by 95.2 percent among those aged 50 to 69, showed the report.
Meanwhile, CoronaVac reduced hospitalization in intensive care units by 94.4 percent among those under the age of 49 and by 92.2 percent among people aged 50 to 69.
In addition, COVID-19 infections dropped 64.5 percent 14 days after receiving the second dose in people aged 18 to 49, and 61.5 percent in people between the ages of 50 and 69, the report said.

The ministry study monitors the "vaccine effectiveness and safety for SARS-CoV-2" by an interdisciplinary team.
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A nurse prepares a dose of the COVID-19 vaccine developed by Chinese pharmaceutical company Sinovac in Bangkok, Thailand, May 12, 2021. (Xinhua/Rachen Sageamsak)
BANGKOK -- A new vaccination study conducted by Thailand's Chulalongkorn University has found that China's Sinovac vaccine has extremely high efficacy in boosting immune responses against COVID-19, according to media reports.
The study run by the Center of Excellence in Clinical Virology of the Faculty of Medicine at the university showed that 99.49 percent of the recipients had developed antibody responses four weeks after their second shots, the Bangkok Post said, quoting the study results.
Three weeks after the first shot, around 66 percent of the recipients had developed immune responses, the report added.

The number of antibodies against the coronavirus was measured with Roche Elecsys Electrochemiluminescence Immunoassay, a qualitative detection of total antibodies developed against the virus in people's blood samples before and after the vaccination period, said the research group.
The tests were conducted before injections, three weeks after the first shot and four weeks after the second injection.
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JAKARTA -- China's Sinovac vaccine against COVID-19 has appeared to be highly efficacious, as an overwhelming majority of vaccinated health workers were found protected from death and hospitalization, according to a Bloomberg report.
Pandji Dhewantara, an official of the country's health ministry, told a press conference that among the 128,290 health workers vaccinated with Sinovac vaccines and tracked from January to March, 98 percent of them were protected from death and 96 percent from hospitalization as soon as seven days after the second dose.
Dhewantara also said that 94 percent of the workers had been protected against symptomatic infection.
The Indonesian study compared vaccinated people against the non-vaccinated to derive the estimated effectiveness, said the report. The median age of the participants is 31 years old.
In an interview with Bloomberg, Indonesian Health Minister Budi Gunadi Sadikin said that another group of 25,374 people tracked showed the same effectiveness data for hospitalization and infection with the aforementioned group. Protection against death was 100 percent in the smaller group.
"We see a very, very drastic drop," in hospitalizations and deaths among medical workers, Sadikin was quoted as saying.


BUENOS AIRES -- The COVID-19 vaccine developed by Chinese pharmaceutical company Sinopharm is 84 percent effective in preventing death from the disease, showed a report by the Argentine Ministry of Health.
The document, titled "Study of the National Vaccination Campaign's Effectiveness in Reducing Mortality from COVID-19 in People aged 60 and over," was prepared by the ministry with cases from the country's 24 provinces during the period from Jan. 1 to June 22.
The study found that the Sinopharm vaccine has an efficacy of "84 percent after the application of its two doses," state news agency Telam reported.
The effectiveness against COVID-19 mortality in the Sinopharm vaccine reached 61.6 percent with the application of the first dose in the 147,908 cases analyzed, and increased to 84 percent after the second dose was applied to the same number of people.
In February, the country authorized the emergency use of the Sinopharm vaccine after Health Minister Carla Vizzotti signed a resolution, an official measure which highlighted the "safety, immunogenicity and efficacy" of the vaccine.
In an interview with Xinhua, Argentine infectious diseases expert Martin Hojman said that the Sinopharm vaccine is "effective" and its arrival in the South American country is "excellent news."
"It has two doses. It is an inactivated vaccine that has proven efficacy and no adverse effects, it is a safe vaccine," said Hojman, a member of the Argentine Society of Infectious Diseases.
 

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Phead128

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Aside from the risk of developing vaccine resistant variants, another massive unknown is the effects of long covid on survivors.

Current studies shows worrying signs of permanent health damage which could potentially have serious long term negative impacts both on the quality of life of the individuals affected, but also massively ongoing healthcare costs for countries and economies to support the vast numbers of long covid hobbled population.

Long COVID is a risk for unvaccinated because of the disorganized inflammatory response damaging your own organs.

But Long COVID is an extremely rare risk for fully vaccinated people, because your immune system is primed and ready to target COVID virus quickly and accurately without damaging your organs. (
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That's why even mild/moderate symptoms is fine/okay/no problem if you are fully vaccinated. So long as you don't die or hospitalized, you are fine. There are too many India's in this world for the infection cases to go to zero. I agree that vaccinated people can be reservoirs for variants to mutate.
 

KYli

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Why the headlines didn't say Vietnam has concerned about AstraZeneca effectiveness so it is using Pfizer for the second dose. Oh, it isn't Chinese vaccines, never mine.
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The article should say married and pregnant women to make it more sensational.
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It is by design to exclude certain people. That's why Indian made AstraZeneca is excluded.
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Things have become pretty bad in SEA.
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So the vaccination of teenagers would begin soon with 12-17 years old first.
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supersnoop

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mRNA is new for sure, but it is not proven to be more effective and more scalable.

The fact that BNT vaccine goes from 90% to 65% is a good example that it is very specific against a marker, in other words it is ineffective against the virus as a whole.

With a BSL-3/4 facility manufacturing capability traditional vaccine has no disadvantage in scaling up production. China has built new such facilities after the pandemic begins to scale up. If you have the blueprint, the equipment etc. what can stop you from scaling up? Just a month you will have a factory that can be used for years. In other words, other country is unable to scale up production of inactivated vaccine does not mean it is not good to scale up, it is only that they are incompetent.

Of course for other purposes China must advance in mRNA technology, but that can not be used to argue against traditional vaccine.

Zhong Nanshan's leading a mRNA vaccine program does not support your argument that mRNA is better. Just like I have a coupe car does not mean that I won't want a cross-country car. If I can afford it I want everything.
With regards to the previous response, I don't know enough about the topic, but although mRNA vaccine will still depend on Chinese raw materials, perhaps it will still help scale up the satellite manufacturing in different countries by changing some of the bottlenecks?

Considering the bottleneck is a high BSL facility, sure China can build more and more, but there is a possibility of overbuilding if the covid situation becomes less dire. I believe mRNA facility uses existing pharmaceutical production infrastructure.
 

supersnoop

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Japan have been shown to be incapable from the start. From princess diamond cruise debacle to largely ignoring it in hope of preventing OG getting cancelled, to massive lack of testing, to confusing government measures which were derided by many at one point. What basically saved them was their culture of hygiene, wearing masks, not much body contact from greetings compared to say Italians, and a good health care


India is interesting case. They seem to be handling it well at first and some even saying close to achieve herd immunity but then delta happened
Was India really handling it though? There was this kind of assumption due to the lower number of cases, but it might have been a mirage the whole time. It could also be that they lowered their guard too soon, as I understood they allowed some massive Hindu festivals before the big surge.

All the Asian countries (and Taiwan) that are not PRC were very slow to pivot to vaccination. Even HK which had secured doses of Pfizer and Sinovac for the entire population since the beginning only hit 30% first dose recently. Kind of shows that you cannot let your guard down either way. Western countries were initially slow to adopt containment, now Asian countries have been slow to mitigate.
 
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