Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

[vincent]

AstraZeneca got a lot of bad press but J&J which have both blood clog and autoimmune order issues seem to get away with it. Guess AstraZeneca is selling its vaccines at a price too low for the liking of Wall St.

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mRNA vaccines and Adeno-vector vaccines works on similar principles: use the mechanisms within your cells to manufacture the virus' spike proteins. If J & J vaccine can cause blood clogs and autoimmune disorder, all other mRNA and Adeno-vector vaccines may also cause them, just differ in time and detection.

 

[Skywatcher]

It's interesting how Asian countries that got praised for their initial COVID-19 response and now dealing with larger numbers of cases are showing how they really can't handle an outbreak. It's not like they had no cases in the beginning. It's two totally different things going on. They're showing the deer-in-the-headlights response that Western countries faced first. They were probably acting much in the same way as before. I wonder if they can actually find out the reason how they seemed to escape it initially but failed later. Was it just luck? Another thing the West isn't saying out loud but are probably panicking about is how they're bashing Chinese vaccines yet countries around the world are still choosing Chinese vaccines. It shows how much influence the West has lost because that is the whole point why the West is doing it.

Some of them ended up believing their own propaganda *cough*Tsai*cough*Warm Power*cough* and rested on their laurels.

 

[LawLeadsToPeace]

mRNA vaccines and Adeno-vector vaccines works on similar principles: use the mechanisms within your cells to manufacture the virus' spike proteins. If J & J vaccine can cause blood clogs and autoimmune disorder, all other mRNA and Adeno-vector vaccines may also cause them, just differ in time and detection.

Interesting conclusion. I know that CanSino's vaccine uses the adenoviral approach, yet I haven't seen news about CanSino's vaccine causing blood clots.

 

[Tyler]

It's interesting how Asian countries that got praised for their initial COVID-19 response and now dealing with larger numbers of cases are showing how they really can't handle an outbreak. It's not like they had no cases in the beginning. It's two totally different things going on. They're showing the deer-in-the-headlights response that Western countries faced first. They were probably acting much in the same way as before. I wonder if they can actually find out the reason how they seemed to escape it initially but failed later. Was it just luck? Another thing the West isn't saying out loud but are probably panicking about is how they're bashing Chinese vaccines yet countries around the world are still choosing Chinese vaccines. It shows how much influence the West has lost because that is the whole point why the West is doing it.

Places like India, Taiwan, Vietnam and even Japan are now showing they are incapable of containing covid-19, and also unable to scale up their production of vaccines if any. They cannot even order enough vaccines for themselves. India is still bragging about being the largest vaccine maker, when China has administered more than 1.3 billion doses and exported at least 300 million doses.

 

[KYli]

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One of China’s leading epidemiologists, Zhong Nanshan, has projected confidence in Chinese vaccines’ ability to prevent the spread of the Delta strain, but he has given differing preliminary estimates on efficacy levels. He told state-owned Xinhua News Agency last month that based on more than 100 patients with the Delta strain in Guangzhou, Chinese vaccines—including shots by Sinovac and Sinopharm—are 69% effective against preventing infection among close contacts, 73% effective against pneumonia caused by the coronavirus and 95% effective against serious illness.

On the same day, he told state broadcaster China Central Television that, based on more than 160 Delta cases in Guangzhou, Chinese vaccines were more than 60% effective against infection by the Delta strain and close to 80% effective for severe illness associated with the strain.

 

[AndrewS]

Places like India, Taiwan, Vietnam and even Japan are now showing they are incapable of containing covid-19, and also unable to scale up their production of vaccines if any. They cannot even order enough vaccines for themselves. India is still bragging about being the largest vaccine maker, when China has administered more than 1.3 billion doses and exported at least 300 million doses.

China is running at over 600 million COVID vaccine doses alone

If you run the numbers, India doesn't make anywhere near that many vaccines (COVID and others)

 

[AndrewS]

Looks like the vaccination rate is slowing down in China.

If vaccinations in China have slowed down to 9million vaccine doses per day, that implies 11 million being exported every day.

I suspect that everyone has had a first dose now, and have to wait some weeks for the next dose.

Plus they may be waiting for efficacy studies for:

1. the Delta variant
and/or
2. when different vaccines are taken as 1st and 2nd doses

BEIJING, July 12 (Reuters) - China administered around 8.32 million doses of COVID-19 vaccine on July 11, taking the total to 1.382 billion doses, data from the National Health Commission showed on Monday.

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[AndrewS]

Places like India, Taiwan, Vietnam and even Japan are now showing they are incapable of containing covid-19, and also unable to scale up their production of vaccines if any. They cannot even order enough vaccines for themselves. India is still bragging about being the largest vaccine maker, when China has administered more than 1.3 billion doses and exported at least 300 million doses.

Taiwan is actually trending slowly downwards.
But they're only dealing with the original alpha variant instead of the more infectious delta variant

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Given that China is exporting more than 11 million doses per day (or 330 million per month).
So I think it's worth pushing Vietnam higher up in terms of priority for vaccine sales, given that they have approved Chinese vaccines.

It's not good if there is a raging outbreak on China's border, plus you can't help but engender some goodwill if large numbers of Vietnamese people take a Chinese vaccine, and they know it.

Vietnam is the country most similar to China in all the world.
And in the long term, Vietnam will likely reconcile itself to happily living in China's shadow.
So you've got to start somewhere.

 

[j17wang]

Taiwan is actually trending slowly downwards.
But they're only dealing with the original alpha variant instead of the more infectious delta variant

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Given that China is exporting more than 11 million doses per day (or 330 million per month).
So I think it's worth pushing Vietnam higher up in terms of priority for vaccine sales, given that they have approved Chinese vaccines.

It's not good if there is a raging outbreak on China's border, plus you can't help but engender some goodwill if large numbers of Vietnamese people take a Chinese vaccine, and they know it.

Vietnam is the country most similar to China in all the world.
And in the long term, Vietnam will likely reconcile itself to happily living in China's shadow.
So you've got to start somewhere.

Vietnam is a good place to prioritize vaccinations. They did have an overall good response to COVID-19 relative to the world, so vaccines there will also likely not be squandered as thier government is quite competent. Plus vietnam is also bordering Guangdong which is massive economic engine for china and there is no reason china should risk an economic engine as well. Vietnam is also able to quickly vaccinate however many doses china can provide.

One of my disappointment has been that Indonesia has been provided 100 million doses (rightly so, because they also helped to test but also placed big orders as a vote of confidence) but they havn't been able to administer many jabs.

 

[supercat]

On the same day, he told state broadcaster China Central Television that, based on more than 160 Delta cases in Guangzhou, Chinese vaccines were more than 60% effective against infection by the Delta strain and close to 80% effective for severe illness associated with the strain.

I think vaccine is only half of the story. No matter how good the vaccines are, strict rules of masking, quarantine, social distancing, and contact tracing are still needed to contain more virulent strains from spreading.

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Gavi's purchase agreement, as well as WHO's authorization for emergency use, are powerful endorsements of Chinese vaccines, no matter what that Reuters article says above.

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Talking about Reuters, interestingly, one of Pfizer's current board of directors is a retired President, Chief Executive Officer, and Director of Thomson Reuters Corporation. I wonder why Reuters usually has a negative narrative about Chinese vaccines.

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In other news, one of the most vaccinated nations, Israel, starts 3rd dose of Pfizer vaccine for high-risk adults.

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