Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

[vincent]

This is just because mRNA is a new vaccine technique that is more effective and more scalable than traditional techniques. mNRA also has other applications besides covid-19 vaccines. This is the next area of development in biotech that China should not miss. There are biotech companies in China that specialize in mRNA applications, and if they list their shares in Hong Kong and Shanghai, then you can buy their shares.

Even Chinese expert Zhongnan Shan has started on mRNA vaccines. We are talking about these people who are actually experts who know what they are doing.

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Pure BS. Old proven but boring inactivated vaccines are just as effective as mRNA vaccines. China had no trouble ”scale” it up. The Western firms just lacked the will to invest in the production for it.
Just because it is new doesn’t mean it is better. There are plenty of evidences of that. Plus no one knows what are the potential long term effects it may have. Do you even know how mRNA vaccines work?

 

[supersnoop]

This is just because mRNA is a new vaccine technique that is more effective and more scalable than traditional techniques. mNRA also has other applications besides covid-19 vaccines. This is the next area of development in biotech that China should not miss. There are biotech companies in China that specialize in mRNA applications, and if they list their shares in Hong Kong and Shanghai, then you can buy their shares.

Even Chinese expert Zhongnan Shan has started on mRNA vaccines. We are talking about these people who are actually experts who know what they are doing.

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The only thing is that mRNA is not infallible, Germany curevac mRNA vaccine was a front runner (the original choice of Trump admin) but now on the trash heap (what's the opposite of Midas touch?).

However, I agree with your idea. It’s looking more than likely almost all vaccines may need a booster, so it’s possible that mRNA might help in that respect. It could be that mRNA booster + 2 doses inactivated works better than 3 doses of inactivated alone. Could help other countries not able to get Pfizer/Moderna etc. Many possibilities

More weapons, the better

 

[solarz]

Pure BS. Old proven but boring inactivated vaccines are just as effective as mRNA vaccines. China had no trouble ”scale” it up. The Western firms just lacked the will to invest in the production for it.
Just because it is new doesn’t mean it is better. There are plenty of evidences of that. Plus no one knows what are the potential long term effects it may have. Do you even know how mRNA vaccines work?

The problem with scaling up inactivated vaccines is the culture and inactivation of massive amounts of the virus, and currently, China is the only country with the BSL-4 labs to do sufficient amounts of such processing. This is why the West is hyping and pushing mRNA vaccines, because they literally cannot produce enough inactivated vaccines to vaccinate their population.

 

[supersnoop]

Pure BS. Old proven but boring inactivated vaccines are just as effective as mRNA vaccines. China had no trouble ”scale” it up. The Western firms just lacked the will to invest in the production for it.
Just because it is new doesn’t mean it is better. There are plenty of evidences of that. Plus no one knows what are the potential long term effects it may have. Do you even know how mRNA vaccines work?

It's not necessarily BS, Inactivated vaccine production requires BSL-3 or 4 facility for production.
These are expensive...
For western countries, it is not a matter of will or manpower, but it is simply difficult to build such facilities because of the red tape involved.
Even when the "local production" of Chinese vaccines is announced in other countries, it is just putting together the materials and packaging it. Almost like CKD kit for cars. Perhaps mRNA production could be fully localized.

Inactivated vaccine production is also not foolproof itself, look at the Covaxin by India, it has been plagued by various issues ranging from quality control (live virus may have gotten into the production batches), to lacking adjuvant from the USA. Maybe you want to say this is Indian incompetence, but one cannot just assume it.

Anyway, long story short, more eggs in different baskets cannot hurt in this case.

 

[KYli]

2 Pfizer, 2 Moderna, and 2 Indian Covaxin got infected. One Covaxin recipient got very sick and another Covaxin recipient dead. Covaxin is getting trashed as the MSM trying to sell Pfizer and Moderna as some kind of magic vaccines. But it could also be manufacturing defect or fake vaccines.

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Not sure what Sri Lanka scientists mean. But look like Sinopharm offers good protection against Delta variant.

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China-manufactured Sinopharm vaccine offers special immunity towards the Delta variant of the Covid-19 coronavirus.

60 millions doses of Sinopharm this quarter, 60 millions doses of Sinopharm next quarter if requested, and another 50 millions doses of Sinopharm in 2022 if requested.

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[taxiya]

Looks like workers running from factories fearing Covid-19 is not unique to Cambodia. It also happens to Vietnam.

Many cities in southern Vietnam went into lockdown on 9-July with all citizens required to stay at home and only go out with proper reasons. Factories that need to continue operating will have to arrange accommodation for workers at sites. And this happens...

It is not unique to any country or people. It is basic human behavior in panic. Once people are in panic there is nothing anybody can do.

The government can only prevent this breakdown of order by preventing panic. That requires people fully trust the government's 1. capability of providing support in lock-down and 2. telling the truth. and 3. capability of preventing cross infection (part of the support in 1).

 

[taxiya]

It's not necessarily BS, Inactivated vaccine production requires BSL-3 or 4 facility for production.
These are expensive...
For western countries, it is not a matter of will or manpower, but it is simply difficult to build such facilities because of the red tape involved.
Even when the "local production" of Chinese vaccines is announced in other countries, it is just putting together the materials and packaging it. Almost like CKD kit for cars. Perhaps mRNA production could be fully localized.

Inactivated vaccine production is also not foolproof itself, look at the Covaxin by India, it has been plagued by various issues ranging from quality control (live virus may have gotten into the production batches), to lacking adjuvant from the USA. Maybe you want to say this is Indian incompetence, but one cannot just assume it.

Anyway, long story short, more eggs in different baskets cannot hurt in this case.

Although inactivated vaccine's requirement of production is the high safety standard, mRNA has its own prohibitive requirement, the supply chain of ingredient such as the nano particle binder. A localized production of mRNA outside of the limited (production proven) countries (US, Germany and China) is impossible. So called mRNA production in India and South Africa endorsed by Biden was just a farce for political propaganda, pie in the sky.

 

[KYli]

AstraZeneca got a lot of bad press but J&J which have both blood clog and autoimmune order issues seem to get away with it. Guess AstraZeneca is selling its vaccines at a price too low for the liking of Wall St.

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[taxiya]

This is just because mRNA is a new vaccine technique that is more effective and more scalable than traditional techniques. mNRA also has other applications besides covid-19 vaccines. This is the next area of development in biotech that China should not miss. There are biotech companies in China that specialize in mRNA applications, and if they list their shares in Hong Kong and Shanghai, then you can buy their shares.

Even Chinese expert Zhongnan Shan has started on mRNA vaccines. We are talking about these people who are actually experts who know what they are doing.

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mRNA is new for sure, but it is not proven to be more effective and more scalable.

The fact that BNT vaccine goes from 90% to 65% is a good example that it is very specific against a marker, in other words it is ineffective against the virus as a whole.

With a BSL-3/4 facility manufacturing capability traditional vaccine has no disadvantage in scaling up production. China has built new such facilities after the pandemic begins to scale up. If you have the blueprint, the equipment etc. what can stop you from scaling up? Just a month you will have a factory that can be used for years. In other words, other country is unable to scale up production of inactivated vaccine does not mean it is not good to scale up, it is only that they are incompetent.

Of course for other purposes China must advance in mRNA technology, but that can not be used to argue against traditional vaccine.

Zhong Nanshan's leading a mRNA vaccine program does not support your argument that mRNA is better. Just like I have a coupe car does not mean that I won't want a cross-country car. If I can afford it I want everything.

 

[AssassinsMace]

It's interesting how Asian countries that got praised for their initial COVID-19 response and now dealing with larger numbers of cases are showing how they really can't handle an outbreak. It's not like they had no cases in the beginning. It's two totally different things going on. They're showing the deer-in-the-headlights response that Western countries faced first. They were probably acting much in the same way as before. I wonder if they can actually find out the reason how they seemed to escape it initially but failed later. Was it just luck? Another thing the West isn't saying out loud but are probably panicking about is how they're bashing Chinese vaccines yet countries around the world are still choosing Chinese vaccines. It shows how much influence the West has lost because that is the whole point why the West is doing it.