Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

Phead128

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In the history of vaccines, no vaccine 100% prevents symtomatic infection. Who gives a shit if you have symptoms, so long as your body fights it off, that's the point of vaccines. It's not to prevent mild/moderate symptomatic infection, it's prevent severe/hospitalization/death.

These idiot journalists is doing a disservice to science/epidemiology by only focusing on CASE rates among vaxxed. WHO GIVES A SHIT. How many of those vaxxed get hospitalized or die, that is what truly matters.
 

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Vaccine effectiveness (VE) % = ((Attack Rate unvaccinated – Attack Rate vaccinated) / Attack Rate unvaccinated) X 100 Attack Rate unvaccinated
(85 - 31) - 31 / (85 - 31) = 42.59 %
The attack rate should be the ratio between the number of infected in the category (vaccinated or unvaccinated) to the total number of people in the category. E.g., if the total population exposed to the Bukit Merah View market outbreak is X and 40% are vaccinated (which is higher than Singapore's actual vaccination rate of 32%~35%), then

total vaccinated population = 0.4 X

total unvaccinated population = 0.6 X

attack rate vaccinated = 31 / (0.4 X) = 77.5 / X

attack rate unvaccinated = (85 - 31) / (0.4 X) = 54 / (0.6 X) = 90 / X

Vaccine effectiveness = ((90 / X) - (77.5 / X)) / (90 / X) = (90 - 77.5) / 90 = 13.9%
 

HybridHypothesis

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are the new variants even lethal. corona will be endemic, but no worse than the common flu now. whats the point of taking experimental vaccines for the common flu? its utterly ridiculous.

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, we see that in the latest large cluster at Bukit Merah View, 31 of the 85 infected (or 36%) were fully vaccinated. The first case in the cluster was a fully vaccinated individual who tested positive on June 10th after experiencing COVID symptoms, which means the actual infection happened at least several days before that.

Singapore fully vaccinated 32% of its population by June 7th, 34% by June 14th, and 35% by June 21st. So, the fully vaccinated actually make up a slightly higher fraction of the latest Bukit Merah View cluster than in the general Singapore population!

Of course, the population exposed to the Bukit Merah View market may have vaccination rates that differ from the general Singapore population, e.g., if mostly older people are exposed and older people tend to have higher vaccination rates. However, viewing the cluster by age, we see that the median age in the cluster is somewhere between 40 and 50, at most only a little higher than Singapore's overall median age of 42 years, so vaccination rates of the population exposed by the Bukit Merah View cluster is unlikely to differ dramatically from that of Singapore overall.

Given the available data about the Bukit Merah View cluster, it is highly unlikely that Pfizer and Moderna vaccines have anywhere close to the ~95% efficacy against infections that Western media likes to claim while putting down the "low" efficacy of Chinese vaccines. The high ~95% efficacy of the mRNA vaccines is for prevention of moderate and severe disease, against which the Chinese vaccines also have similar efficacies. Before the Singapore results, we didn't have any data on how well the mRNA vaccines work in preventing asymptomatic and mild infections as none of the other countries using the mRNA vaccines had vigorous contact tracing and testing programs that tried to catch all infections. Now with the Singapore data, as well as the Mongolian data where we have Pfizer and Chinese vaccines being used in the same setting, we have some pretty strong evidence that the mRNA vaccines are not significantly more effective than the inactivated Chinese vaccines despite the much higher risk of side effects with the mRNA vaccines.

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Vaccine effectiveness (VE) % = ((Attack Rate unvaccinated – Attack Rate vaccinated) / Attack Rate unvaccinated) X 100 Attack Rate unvaccinated
(85 - 31) - 31 / (85 - 31) = 42.59 %

I would calculate it this way.

Infected Percentage of the vaccinated that is exposed to the virus. = 31/320 ==> 9.69%
Infected Percentage of the unvaccinated that is exposed to the virus. = 54/680 ==> 7.94%

Assuming 1000 individuals : vaccinated percentage of population = 320 (32%)
unvaccinated percentage of population = 680 (68%)

So there is actually more of the vaccinated that is infected with COVID than the unvaccinated, percentage-wise, by 15.5%! o_O

It could be attributed to the vaccinated being of the older age group with a weaker immunity and the unvaccinated younger population having stronger immunity but the result is shocking nonetheless.
 

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630 million people have been fully vaccinated. Next stage should be 70% to 80% of people to be fully vaccinated. A booster shot and a second/third generation vaccines should be ready later this year and early next year to put an end to the close border.
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For the border closure, not exactly:
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Edit: nvm, I didn't fully read your comment. My mistake.
 

Phead128

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The UK published the numbers on vaccinated vs unvaccinated deaths for the new Delta variant.

Tabulation of the data reveals that the vaccinated were MORE LIKELY to die than the unvaccinated.

What is going on with these injections?

Would need an age-stratified breakdown on deaths in the vaccinated vs. unvaccinated group to draw a definitive conclusion. Age can be a potential confounding variable related to death. That's why no scientists draws conclusions based on univariate analysis without adjusting for confounders. Statistics 101.
 
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