Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

superdog

Junior Member
There were a lot of lies spread by Western MSM about how China was censoring photos of urns and queues at the Hankou crematorium. Just want to remind everyone that the photos were first taken by Caixin, and they are still available on Caixin's website.

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Some background for those who don't know:

Caixin is a Beijing based media that has made some good investigative reports which criticized the government. But it also has the habit of publishing fear mongering news about the epidemic with insufficient verification, which the western media loved to feed on. Another famous piece they promoted was Fang Fang's "Wuhan diary". It has a lot of rumor based content/partial truths organized into a highly pessimistic narrative -- conveniently quoted by many western media as proof that China is "hiding something".

Many Chinese netizens consider Caixin a biases news source that has agenda similar to western MSM. But it nonetheless managed to stay clear of censorship.
 

vesicles

Colonel
I don't know virology but I thought that the correct term was strains. Can we say 'quasi subspecies' in this case?

Coronavirus | Three quasi-subspecies of virus in circulation in India, says ICMR:
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@vesicles , would love to know your thoughts on this.

I'm not a virologist either. However, I do believe the it is appropriate to call the situation in India as quasi subspecies. Basically, each strain is a mutant viral species with a new mutation. A quasispecies is a collection of closely related but not identical strains of virus mutants. Please take a look at the official definition of quasi subspecies defined by experts:

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vesicles

Colonel
Actually I was uncertain. Talked to a doctor friend of mine. He preferred the word serotype. Lots of unknown terms(for me) floating around.

Serotypes are based on the antigens decorated on their surfaces. Different emphasis than strains or quasispecies.

I have to say that biologists are boring people and love to come up with different names and nomenclatures for various things... Even when we teach medical school lectures, we have been specifically told by the school to limit the amount of weird terms and nomenclatures to avoid confusing the med school students...
 

plawolf

Lieutenant General
Right, some recent personal experience as well as news articles have me seriously doubting official UK COVID19 figures, and in turn all the analysis based on them.

I had a bit of a health scare over the weekend, where I was feeling extremely fatigued, with a persistent strong headache and a sour throat.

It felt like the flu, only many times worse, which had me worried given the current climate.

However, the British NHS self service website was a joke, consisting of a bare bones two question survey which diagnosed you as probably not having COVID19 if you do not have both of the primary symptoms of a persistent cough and high fever.

Now, that ridiculously basic check (I would not consider that as anything remotely worthy of being called a test) would simply fail to diagnose a significant proportion of infected, especially those who have mild symptoms. So these infected would not even be told to self isolate.

Even if you do tick both boxes, you will only be told to stay at home and self isolate for 7 days. No tests or medical assistance unless you are really really sick. In which case you have to call the non-emergency number and need to pass a questionnaire before you are deemed to be worth the time of an actual trained medical professional.

Then you have stories like this.

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Coronavirus: Teenager 'could have survived with appropriate treatment'
A “healthy” teenager who died after developing coronavirus could have been saved if he had been diagnosed earlier, according to Italian authorities.

Luca Di Nicola, 19, from the town of Nereto in eastern Italy, died at the North Middlesex Hospital in north London on 24 March.

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, he developed a cough and a fever a week before dying but his condition was dismissed as a cold...


According to La Repubblica, Mr Di Nicola’s family said the teenage chef was “extremely healthy”.

The newspaper quotes them as saying he was given paracetamol by his GP when he first developed symptoms.

His condition reportedly deteriorated on 23 March and he was visited at home by his GP, who is said to have told him, “you’re young, strong and you shouldn’t worry about this bad influenza”.

The next day the teenager reported chest pains before he collapsed, the paper reports.

'Tragedy within a tragedy'
His mother called the emergency services and he was taken into intensive care but died about half an hour later...

The official UK infected and death figuresare currently 29,474 and 2,352, giving a whopping death rate of 8.0%.

It is important to note that these 2,352 deaths are only those recorded at hospitals. Deaths at home and care homes are not included as far as I am aware.

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The official line is that this death rate is so high because there are many many more mild cases who are simply not being tested.

However, one really also have to wonder how many similar cases as Luca there are where people died needlessly because the official policy is that everyone should self isolate at home and medical assistance would only be granted as a last resort, by which time it might be too late.

In addition, given the likely scale of under-diagnosing and reporting of infected, I have grave reservations about the usefulness of Uk government figures on COVID19, and in turn any analysis one does with them. As anyone who has done any data analysis will tell you, the very first rule is: trash in trash out. If your underlying data is trash, no conclusions you draw from that data can be trusted.

You can already see examples of this, it was only yesterday UK officials were boasting of ‘green shoots’ of signs of recovery, and today we have a new daily death record that simply smashed the old record by quite some margin.
 

Rettam Stacf

Junior Member
Registered Member
Posted by Mr. unknown from CDF. Hope this would put all those rumor to rest.

"The Hankou crematorium is THE ONLY ONE in the city allowed to cremate suspected/confirmed COVID-19 remains, thus the long lines & the large inventory."


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武昌、青山等殡仪馆的工作人员表示,所有因疑似或确诊的新型肺炎死亡的人,其遗体只有汉口馆能接收

Make a lot of sense.

As a non-medical person, I would think that the corpse of a person died from coronavirus would still be, if not even more, infectious than a living infected person. The crematorium would need special procedures, equipment and protective clothing to conduct the cremation.
 

PiSigma

"the engineer"
Right, some recent personal experience as well as news articles have me seriously doubting official UK COVID19 figures, and in turn all the analysis based on them.

I had a bit of a health scare over the weekend, where I was feeling extremely fatigued, with a persistent strong headache and a sour throat.

It felt like the flu, only many times worse, which had me worried given the current climate.

However, the British NHS self service website was a joke, consisting of a bare bones two question survey which diagnosed you as probably not having COVID19 if you do not have both of the primary symptoms of a persistent cough and high fever.

Now, that ridiculously basic check (I would not consider that as anything remotely worthy of being called a test) would simply fail to diagnose a significant proportion of infected, especially those who have mild symptoms. So these infected would not even be told to self isolate.

Even if you do tick both boxes, you will only be told to stay at home and self isolate for 7 days. No tests or medical assistance unless you are really really sick. In which case you have to call the non-emergency number and need to pass a questionnaire before you are deemed to be worth the time of an actual trained medical professional.

Then you have stories like this.

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The official UK infected and death figuresare currently 29,474 and 2,352, giving a whopping death rate of 8.0%.

It is important to note that these 2,352 deaths are only those recorded at hospitals. Deaths at home and care homes are not included as far as I am aware.

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The official line is that this death rate is so high because there are many many more mild cases who are simply not being tested.

However, one really also have to wonder how many similar cases as Luca there are where people died needlessly because the official policy is that everyone should self isolate at home and medical assistance would only be granted as a last resort, by which time it might be too late.

In addition, given the likely scale of under-diagnosing and reporting of infected, I have grave reservations about the usefulness of Uk government figures on COVID19, and in turn any analysis one does with them. As anyone who has done any data analysis will tell you, the very first rule is: trash in trash out. If your underlying data is trash, no conclusions you draw from that data can be trusted.

You can already see examples of this, it was only yesterday UK officials were boasting of ‘green shoots’ of signs of recovery, and today we have a new daily death record that simply smashed the old record by quite some margin.
Basically the same in Alberta Canada.

I got the no taste/smell symptoms today along with tiredness, chest tightness and sour throat. Called the Healthline and was told to self isolate because it is probably just the flu. No running or stuffy nose but no smell, doesn't sound like the flu to me.
 
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