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coolgod

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Has China banned the consumption of wild animals or anything to prevent transmission from hunted animals to humans?

I'm asking because SARS 2003 (SAR-CoV-1) was traced back to Pangolins or Civets.... wondering if China learned anything.
Are you sure SARS 2003 was traced back to Pangolins or Civets, or are you just repeating what western "studies" have propagandized the world with? Do you think Fort Detrick only started their bioweapons program last decade or something?
 

Phead128

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Are you sure SARS 2003 was traced back to Pangolins or Civets, or are you just repeating what western "studies" have propagandized the world with? Do you think Fort Detrick only started their bioweapons program last decade or something?
Yes, because Chinese gov't banned the consumption and sale of civets. So maybe Chinese gov't knows more than you? After some digging, it appears China has banned all wildlife trade in 2020.

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Also, "Yu Guan" and "ChangChang Chun" doesn't sound like Western names to me.

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Fort Detrick and Wuhan lab leaks are for idiots, nobody in scientific community believes that crap.
 

KYli

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To be honest, most countries consume wild animals one way or the other. Somehow, this keeps happening in China is strange. However, China had banned consumption of wild animals even the farming ones which is unjust. Although, the Chinese government probably doesn't want to police such vast industry. The sad thing is wild animals farming has provided a large source of income for marginal groups in rural and mountainous regions.
 

coolgod

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Yes, because Chinese gov't banned the consumption and sale of civets. So maybe Chinese gov't knows more than you? After some digging, it appears China has banned all wildlife trade in 2020.

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Also, "Yu Guan" and "ChangChang Chun" doesn't sound like Western names to me.

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Fort Detrick and Wuhan lab leaks are for idiots, nobody in scientific community believes that crap.
Last time I checked you didn't speak for the scientific community, the fact you make that kind of generalized statement suggests you aren't actually knowledgeable about academia.

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Department of Microbiology, The University of Hong Kong, University Pathology Building, Queen Mary Hospital, Hong Kong Special Administrative Region, People's Republic of China. [email protected]

Two lead authors in the other study you cited.

Changchun Tu​

*Changchun University of Agriculture and Animal Sciences, Changchun, China;

Gary Crameri​

†CSIRO Livestock Industries, Geelong, Australia;
Just because someone is Chinese in Academia, doesn't mean they don't toe the line in western academia. Do you know what a 公知 is?

A novel coronavirus (SCoV) is the etiological agent of severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS). SCoV-like viruses were isolated from Himalayan palm civets found in a live-animal market in Guangdong, China. Evidence of virus infection was also detected in other animals (including a raccoon dog, Nyctereutes procyonoides) and in humans working at the same market. All the animal isolates retain a 29-nucleotide sequence that is not found in most human isolates. The detection of SCoV-like viruses in small, live wild mammals in a retail market indicates a route of interspecies transmission, although the natural reservoir is not known.

Using three different assays, we examined 103 serum samples collected from different civet farms and a market in China in June 2003 and January 2004. While civets on farms were largely free from SARS-CoV infection, ≈80% of the animals from one animal market in Guangzhou contained significant levels of antibody to SARS-CoV, which suggests no widespread infection among civets resident on farms, and the infection of civets in the market might be associated with trading activities under the conditions of overcrowding and mixing of various animal species.

If you even bothered to read the abstract, you would know none of those articles even demonstrated a causal link between animal markets and the SARS outbreak. By similar logic, you can sample a mink farm in Denmark and the workers on that farm and claim that Minx gave COVID to humans which started the pandemic.

We have to remember that 20 years ago China wasn't as powerful or capable in the biotech sector. Even if the CPC elites suspected the US started SARS as a released bioweapon, it doesn't have enough evidence to prove it, nor does it have the clout to make the rest of the world believe it. In 2002, China was also trying to get on America's good side, alleging the US committed acts of war would not fit with the strategy.

Take a look at the long history of biological weapons released by America on its own citizens, which is still not well known. These facts used to be claimed as propaganda and are still well hidden from view because the US controls the media and shapes the narrative.

I'm not dismissing the possibility that SARS did originate from wildlife activities in China, but I'm annoyed that you are mindlessly parroting Western propaganda while pretending to be "scientific" (which I doubt you know what that actually means), even after watching the west continuously demonize and blame China for Covid in literally the same fashion with these "studies".

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Researchers from the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention (China CDC) have published an eagerly awaited analysis of swabs collected at a seafood market in Wuhan, China, in the early weeks of the COVID-19 pandemic — as well as the underlying data. The international research community has been calling for this information since the beginning of the outbreak. The analysis confirms that swabs from the market — which has long been linked to the start of the pandemic —
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. This suggests that it’s possible an animal could have been an intermediate host of a virus that spilled over to infect humans. But researchers say the latest findings still fall short of providing definitive proof that SARS-CoV-2 originated from an animal-to-human spillover event.

Spurious findings​

Alice Hughes, a conservation biologist at the University of Hong Kong, has concerns about the quality of the analysis. As well as genomic fragments from animals including raccoon dogs, Hughes says that the paper identifies genetic material from pandas, mole rats and chimpanzees. Given that killing a panda attracts the death sentence in China, “there is absolutely no way any trace of panda could possibly be in that market”, she says.
 
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Phead128

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Last time I checked you didn't speak for the scientific community, the fact you make that kind of generalized statement suggests you aren't actually knowledgeable about academia.

Their current affiliations


Two lead authors in the other study you cited.


Just because someone is Chinese in Academia, doesn't mean they don't toe the line in western academia. Do you know what a 公知 is?





If you even bothered to read the abstract, you would know none of those articles even demonstrated a causal link between animal markets and the SARS outbreak. By similar logic, you can sample a mink farm in Denmark and the workers on that farm and claim that Minx gave COVID to humans which started the pandemic.

We have to remember that 20 years ago China wasn't as powerful or capable in the biotech sector. Even if the CPC elites suspected the US started SARS as a released bioweapon, it doesn't have enough evidence to prove it, nor does it have the clout to make the rest of the world believe it. In 2002, China was also trying to get on America's good side, alleging the US committed acts of war would not fit with the strategy.

Take a look at the long history of biological weapons released by America on its own citizens, which is still not well known. These facts used to be claimed as propaganda and are still well hidden from view because the US controls the media and shapes the narrative.

I'm not dismissing the possibility that SARS did originate from wildlife activities in China, but I'm annoyed that you are mindlessly parroting Western propaganda while pretending to be "scientific" (which I doubt you know what that actually means), even after watching the west continuously demonize and blame China for Covid in literally the same fashion with these "studies".

Didn't know Xi Jinping was CIA stooge by supporting mindless Western propaganda and banning all wildlife animal trade and consumption...

But your logic is impeccable. The "animal origin" theory is mindless Western propaganda. Using your logic, China health authorities is guilty of propagating Western propaganda by banning all animal trade to prevent future pandemics...

Real smart logical reasoning there, bro.
 

Michaelsinodef

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There are definitely genocidal US bio warfare attacks that have not become confirmed or proven to the public. To think otherwise is to ignore American history going all the way back to the genocide of the indigenous people.
They even tested biological weapons on their own citizens lol, to think they don't do bio attacks or even poisons important people/targets/enemies is being naive.
 

Phead128

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The deliberately engineered bioweapon theory doesn't make sense because high contagiousness with very low mortality means the pandemic can spread rapidly cross borders, including back to US and US allies.

Ideally, an bioweapon would have a low-moderate contagiousness, and high mortality rate, and high affinity to East Asian DNA genetics, so it can largely be contained within China or East Asia boundaries.

With COVID-19, you have a weak mortality rate and greater affinity for Americans and Europeans than Chinese both in terms of infection and economic damage. What a epic failed bioweapon attack.
 

CMP

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The deliberately engineered bioweapon theory doesn't make sense because high contagiousness with very low mortality means the pandemic can spread rapidly cross borders, including back to US and US allies.

Ideally, an bioweapon would have a low-moderate contagiousness, and high mortality rate, and high affinity to East Asian DNA genetics, so it can largely be contained within China or East Asia boundaries.

With COVID-19, you have a weak mortality rate and greater affinity for Americans and Europeans than Chinese both in terms of infection and economic damage. What a epic failed bioweapon attack.
Perhaps they couldn't refine it to that surgical level yet, and were willing to deploy an unfinished weapon due to urgency and having confidence in their vaccine lead. In terms of performance record, it matches HK, trade war, and tech war, not to mention most of their other international regime change attempts over the past 5 years. Huge ambitions and varying degrees of failure for the most part.
 

Biscuits

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The deliberately engineered bioweapon theory doesn't make sense because high contagiousness with very low mortality means the pandemic can spread rapidly cross borders, including back to US and US allies.

Ideally, an bioweapon would have a low-moderate contagiousness, and high mortality rate, and high affinity to East Asian DNA genetics, so it can largely be contained within China or East Asia boundaries.

With COVID-19, you have a weak mortality rate and greater affinity for Americans and Europeans than Chinese both in terms of infection and economic damage. What a epic failed bioweapon attack.
Yeah, even though covid achieved the US goal of delaying China, the cost was much greater for the west, which was also delayed at the same time and in addition lost many people unlike China.

Is there foul American play in the pandemic? Given that they have not given Chinese science community access to test their immunity at home and their refusal to allow hospitals in China to keep tracing contacts in the aftermath of the world military games even after they had treated US soldiers for unknown pneumonia there, foul play is almost guaranteed. But foul play does not mean American bioweapon. It could merely be a natural virus that was willfully spread to China. We also have proof of willful American state disinformation campaigns around covid.

Covid mortality was often linked to thromboembolism, which Asians are naturally disposed against getting. Obesity was also a major cause of increased mortality, especially among the young and otherwise healthy. The covid virus was not well adapted to spreading among Asian populations.
 
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