Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

BoraTas

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Yes, the issue is fundamentally one of politics and blame.

Essentially the government since the beginning of COVID has tied up by concerns of deaths secondary to uncontrollable COVID, which fundamentally limits their options and compels them towards more safer, known policies (namely dynamic zero).

Everyone keeps talking about boosting elderly vaccination, which is common sense but also likely perceived as more difficult, because a mandatory vaccine drive would also attribute any perceived (real or fake) vaccine side effects as ammunition against the government.
So what's the strategy? Waiting until people are really fed up with quarantines and then opening up?
 

Blitzo

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So what's the strategy? Waiting until people are really fed up with quarantines and then opening up?

I don't know.

To be honest, if there is sufficient public demand for "opening up and damn the consequences" then potentially the government could go ahead with it and play it in a way that it is due to consideration of consultation with the public. (Though that also adds the risk of making the public feel like they are able to make the government do anything just out of sufficient displeasure)

It goes without saying that the most important thing is that no matter what happens, the stability and legitimacy of government must not come under question in any form.
 

Quan8410

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I don't know.

To be honest, if there is sufficient public demand for "opening up and damn the consequences" then potentially the government could go ahead with it and play it in a way that it is due to consideration of consultation with the public. (Though that also adds the risk of making the public feel like they are able to make the government do anything just out of sufficient displeasure)

It goes without saying that the most important thing is that no matter what happens, the stability and legitimacy of government must not come under question in any form.
Government must not act according to public demand. It should be about what's good for society. Even if the whole China go to protest tomorrow, the government should find a way rather than surrendering to public opinion.
 

tankphobia

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Covid is looking like it will become endemic in the rest of the world, will China continue current policy of short term quarantine + area lockdown forever? It will continue to be a reactive situation as long as the elderly continue to not get vaccinated.
 

zgx09t

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If Covid is officially downgraded to endemic worldwide, there should be no reason Covid remains a pandemic in China alone.
This whack a mole strategy is just treading water until Covid shifts to much much milder variants where China's health care system can confidently handle it. So far, China has stellar performance in Covid battle on all metrics imaginable. We might see only a few more rounds of restrictions most likely, as Covid has already run its most destructive course, nearing its third anniversary. Maybe couple more years at most and China would exit out. Savings and investments steady, low inflation, productions are still chugging along, people are not dying off like flies. What more can we expect?
 

NiuBiDaRen

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I don't know.

To be honest, if there is sufficient public demand for "opening up and damn the consequences" then potentially the government could go ahead with it and play it in a way that it is due to consideration of consultation with the public. (Though that also adds the risk of making the public feel like they are able to make the government do anything just out of sufficient displeasure)

It goes without saying that the most important thing is that no matter what happens, the stability and legitimacy of government must not come under question in any form.

The government is building quarantine centers in every major city this flu season to prepare for a rise in cases when there is an opening up.

China's ICU and general healthcare facilities are still not as dense as in developed countries, hence the government was "stalling for time". Although as to why they didn't build quarantine centers last year so they could open up this year is not something I know the answer to.

People ask why China can't go the Singapore/Hong Kong/Japan/South Korea model of dynamic opening up, and once again the same reason - that China doesn't have the same density of healthcare facilities as aforementioned countries.

Hence many analysts believe China will go the East Asian route next year in terms of opening up, but by buffing up temporary treatment facilities nationwide at the current time.

The Chinese government knows "damn the consequences and throw caution to the wind" is damaging to its reputation, hence it won't go down that route.

(Of course the government is not monolithic so some local officials will screw up or act weirdly. Just in case the Western media brings up an isolated, local incident and then use it to blame the entire Chinese society for some kind of inherent flaw in the Chinese populace)
 
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zgx09t

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One more reason I think why alot of people in china opposed mandatory vaccine is that due to huge population of converted xtians in china , and as people gets older they become more religious and rigid.

Christianity is a 2000 years old desert cult and many Christian copies behaviour same as western nations Christian or American right wingers.

They oppose vaccine due to same Christian belives.
She claims that she is a xtian Chinese from Henan & proud unvaccinated people, she even opposes mask.
Sadly china has huge no. of xtian, not all religion can be reformed in my view both xtian & Islam religion are imperialist religion they come to impose their own value and destroy traditional values of natives.

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