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How can conveniently all the Western COVID-19 vaccines give a boost to Sinovac which they also claim doesn't work at all?

If Sinovac doesn't work, how is it that the countries significantly vaccinated with the vaccine still has not reported serious outbreaks with the Omicron variant?

Malaysia so far has only reported about 600 hundred cases of Omicron. Singapore and Indonesia are going to proceed with a travel bubble between the countries while the latter's neighbor Australia (vaccinated with mRNA vaccine) is experiencing an upswing in the Omicron outbreak.
 
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tygyg1111

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If Sinovac doesn't work, how is it that the countries significantly vaccinated with the vaccine still has not reported serious outbreaks with the Omicron variant?

Malaysia so far has only reported about 600 hundred cases of Omicron. Singapore and Indonesia are going to proceed with a travel bubble between the countries while the latter's neighbor Australia (vaccinated with mRNA vaccine) is experiencing an upswing in the Omicron outbreak.
Take it easy on them, the last 2 years saw most of their freedom and democracy fantasies crumble, they still need a few years to process the grief and progress to the acceptance stage
 

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Google translated 5h old article from TV2 Norway
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The coronavirus may have been in Norway already in 2019
Researchers at Ahus have found antibodies against covid-19 all the way back to December 2019, a month before the first case was detected in Europe.

- This was very surprising. We examined blood samples back to December to be absolutely sure of going far enough back in time, so we did not expect to find a positive result so early, says project manager for the study, Anne Eskild in a press release posted on Ahus' website.

The first case in Europe was detected on 27 January 2020, while in Norway it was not detected until 24 February the same year.

At the same time as China
The discovery Ahus has made is from the same period as the first proven case was found in China.

The blood samples were taken from all pregnant women in the first trimester in Akershus University Hospital's catchment area in the months of December 2019-December 2020.

As part of maternity care in Norway, blood samples are taken from all pregnant women to check for syphilis. All samples are stored for the purpose of monitoring potential infectious diseases.

Concludes about findings
- There are probably few other countries that have access to stored blood samples at population level, and therefore there are few or no other retrospective studies, Eskild says.

Of the total of 6,020 women examined throughout the period, antibodies were detected in 98 women.

It must be taken into account that a certain proportion of false positive results may occur, but the researchers conclude that the findings indicate that the virus circulated in Norway already in 2019.

Probably infected abroad
The research group was given access to test the samples anonymously on the basis of the Infection Control Act.

Around 500 samples per month have been tested for antibodies to SARS-CoV-2, and one positive result was found in December 2019, two in January 2020, and one in both February and March.

There is no systematic information on who the women who had the infection were, and whether they had symptoms, but it could be seen that the women who were diagnosed with antibodies before March 2020 were born in Norway, Eastern Europe, Africa or the Middle East.

- There are many indications that they are either infected in other parts of the world or via relatives who have been outside Norway, says Eskild, who believes the findings indicate that the infection may have been spread throughout the world much earlier than we previously thought.

- Changes the story
The first known cases became well known in December 2019 from the Chinese city of Wuhan.

- Our findings change the history of the corona epidemic both in Norway and in the world, says Eskild.
 

Bellum_Romanum

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THE NEW YORK TIMES

China’s Zero-Covid Policy Is a Pandemic Waiting to Happen


  • The article's main thrusts are that China's zero-covid policy is a fool's errand that must be stopped.
  • China’s current policy will be an economic burdensome to the system and people
  • China must consider copying western countries systems that "succeeded" in containing the latest covid-19 virus (Omicron) like Germany, Australia to name a few in order for China to keep supplying the world economies with China export products and to avoid possible disruption to any of the country's essential supply logistics.
  • Most importantly, China MUST BUY WESTERN MADE VACCINES LIKE PFIZER, MODERNA if it wants to control, contain the latest virus SINCE CHINESE MADE VACCINES ARE NOT ONLY INFERIOR BUT CRIMINALLY INEFFECTIVE, otherwise the process of closing, lockdown cities no matter how small the outbreak will bring forth calamitous outcome to the country by overwhelming it's medical systems and hospitals.
You can read the whole propaganda piece from an apparent medical experts more like stenographers for the western pharmaceutical companies desperately wanting to taste the Chinese money on the link below.


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gadgetcool5

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THE NEW YORK TIMES

China’s Zero-Covid Policy Is a Pandemic Waiting to Happen


  • The article's main thrusts are that China's zero-covid policy is a fool's errand that must be stopped.
  • China’s current policy will be an economic burdensome to the system and people
  • China must consider copying western countries systems that "succeeded" in containing the latest covid-19 virus (Omicron) like Germany, Australia to name a few in order for China to keep supplying the world economies with China export products and to avoid possible disruption to any of the country's essential supply logistics.
  • Most importantly, China MUST BUY WESTERN MADE VACCINES LIKE PFIZER, MODERNA if it wants to control, contain the latest virus SINCE CHINESE MADE VACCINES ARE NOT ONLY INFERIOR BUT CRIMINALLY INEFFECTIVE, otherwise the process of closing, lockdown cities no matter how small the outbreak will bring forth calamitous outcome to the country by overwhelming it's medical systems and hospitals.
You can read the whole propaganda piece from an apparent medical experts more like stenographers for the western pharmaceutical companies desperately wanting to taste the Chinese money on the link below.


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They want China's Covid protections to be breached so badly. They may not be saying it outright, but the underlying hope is for more Chinese people to die so that they look better and their vaccines get purchased. This is not coming from Trump or Steve Bannon or people like that, but from the New York Times, and I've seen similar sentiments across "respectable" Western media like the BBC, NPR, Reuters, etc.

Every Chinese person ought to think for a long time about what that means.
 

daifo

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THE NEW YORK TIMES

China’s Zero-Covid Policy Is a Pandemic Waiting to Happen


  • The article's main thrusts are that China's zero-covid policy is a fool's errand that must be stopped.
  • China’s current policy will be an economic burdensome to the system and people
  • China must consider copying western countries systems that "succeeded" in containing the latest covid-19 virus (Omicron) like Germany, Australia to name a few in order for China to keep supplying the world economies with China export products and to avoid possible disruption to any of the country's essential supply logistics.
  • Most importantly, China MUST BUY WESTERN MADE VACCINES LIKE PFIZER, MODERNA if it wants to control, contain the latest virus SINCE CHINESE MADE VACCINES ARE NOT ONLY INFERIOR BUT CRIMINALLY INEFFECTIVE, otherwise the process of closing, lockdown cities no matter how small the outbreak will bring forth calamitous outcome to the country by overwhelming it's medical systems and hospitals.
You can read the whole propaganda piece from an apparent medical experts more like stenographers for the western pharmaceutical companies desperately wanting to taste the Chinese money on the link below.


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They have gone full cope mode that they don't even bother to try to cite some country that have used the Chinese vaccine and has had bad outcome with omicron variant. Just "trust us"
 

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Anyone who thinks a vaccine which only generates the spike protein gives more protection against a highly mutating virus than the whole virus shell needs to get their heads examined. And no, measuring the antigens to the spike protein as if it was a measure of effectiveness doesn't cut it sorry. I would rather look at numbers of infected and sick in the actual population.
 

Bellum_Romanum

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They want China's Covid protections to be breached so badly. They may not be saying it outright, but the underlying hope is for more Chinese people to die so that they look better and their vaccines get purchased. This is not coming from Trump or Steve Bannon or people like that, but from the New York Times, and I've seen similar sentiments across "respectable" Western media like the BBC, NPR, Reuters, etc.

Every Chinese person ought to think for a long time about what that means.
The most ridiculous and disappointing thing is the piece was written by two white men in a lab coat to lend the bullshit with credibility. But like you said, the way I parsed their idiotic "advice" they would want to see China "open up" and let Covid-19 rip so that the initial propaganda nonsense from the outset of Covid-19 where it was hilariously reporting that MILLLIONS OF CHINESE people died based on the number of cell phones being put out of service and or the parking lots etc...

I don't have an iota of clue how thick face America and the west have become. To imagine that they're going to hype up a vaccine that's been found to be less effective in dealing with Omicron; their countries saddled, flooded with Covid-19 cases with hundreds of people dying every single bleeping day. And despite all of the evidence to the contrary they want China to rid itself of the most effective and less costly policies in the planet against Covid-19? Have these people gone insane?

Let's talk about the example it described in the article about how 95 percent of the people in China that contracted the Delta/Omicron virus were fully vaccinated but were still infected and supposedly it's even less effective in preventing death and hospitalization. But the data of death from the virus thus far nullify this buffoonery. And then the good doctors used the case of one Xi'an hospital as the norm that will happen in China if it does not relent on allowing it's population from using MrNa American/west vaccines...I mean, are you for real dog? Do you have to be this obvious whoring for your paysmasters that you'll even denigrate the ethics of your profession?

I mean, if these Americans were truly caring, humanist, and compassionate they would actually beg, demand their government to supply the global south with their vaccines in order to protect the planet from the future variants that maybe more virulent and deadlier. But that would not be the message and propaganda for the day since no $$$ will be made.

I hope China will never listen to such mendacious, arrogant, and impotent advice. It belongs in the trash.
 

FairAndUnbiased

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The most ridiculous and disappointing thing is the piece was written by two white men in a lab coat to lend the bullshit with credibility. But like you said, the way I parsed their idiotic "advice" they would want to see China "open up" and let Covid-19 rip so that the initial propaganda nonsense from the outset of Covid-19 where it was hilariously reporting that MILLLIONS OF CHINESE people died based on the number of cell phones being put out of service and or the parking lots etc...

I don't have an iota of clue how thick face America and the west have become. To imagine that they're going to hype up a vaccine that's been found to be less effective in dealing with Omicron; their countries saddled, flooded with Covid-19 cases with hundreds of people dying every single bleeping day. And despite all of the evidence to the contrary they want China to rid itself of the most effective and less costly policies in the planet against Covid-19? Have these people gone insane?

Let's talk about the example it described in the article about how 95 percent of the people in China that contracted the Delta/Omicron virus were fully vaccinated but were still infected and supposedly it's even less effective in preventing death and hospitalization. But the data of death from the virus thus far nullify this buffoonery. And then the good doctors used the case of one Xi'an hospital as the norm that will happen in China if it does not relent on allowing it's population from using MrNa American/west vaccines...I mean, are you for real dog? Do you have to be this obvious whoring for your paysmasters that you'll even denigrate the ethics of your profession?

I mean, if these Americans were truly caring, humanist, and compassionate they would actually beg, demand their government to supply the global south with their vaccines in order to protect the planet from the future variants that maybe more virulent and deadlier. But that would not be the message and propaganda for the day since no $$$ will be made.

I hope China will never listen to such mendacious, arrogant, and impotent advice. It belongs in the trash.
This is why difficulty of doing something doesn't necessarily correlate with usefulness. Indians love to say that IIT is harder to get into than Harvard, for instance. That very well might be true, so what? It is also harder to build a house with a spoon than shovels, doesn't mean the house built by guys with spoons is better. Likewise just because medical school in that certain country is hard to get into doesn't mean all their healthcare system is good.

Remember that medical professionals in that certain country were advocating for lobotomies and gave the inventor of lobotomies a Nobel Prize.
 
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