Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

[Phead128]

He doesn’t believe those numbers anyways.

I think globally it is underreported because 40-60% of infections are asymptomatic. So everyone is underreporting, esp. in US where they are sending home-test kits that doesn't count into official figures.

Now, how much is it underreported in China compared to US, we don't know until we look at excess death rates which can tell us how much it is underreported.

I have a strong suspicion that even taking into account underreporting, China comes out FAR ahead of US because universal mask, contact tracing, mass vaccination, mass testing, robust lockdowns, no overwhelmed hospitals, strict international visitor quarantine and testing, lack of politicization of pandemic, and lack of misinformation.

 

[KYli]

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[ansy1968]

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@KYli bro told you so, Omicron is here to stay, no amount of doses will stop it cause it target infection is different from the original virus. My son who is inoculated with his first dose is doing better than my 2nd daughter who had her 3rd doses. Its my private observation that having the 3rd doses may have weaken her immune system?

 

[Phead128]

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They would need to make one specific to Omicron, since Omnicron is pretty different from the original Alpha variant in 2020.

 

[supersnoop]

They would need to make one specific to Omicron, since Omnicron is pretty different from the original Alpha variant in 2020.

When I saw that countries are doing fourth shots, I was thinking, "Who is holding stock in Moderna and Pfizer?"

We are already seeing so many breakthroughs of people with 3 shots, forget 2, but we think 4 shots of the SAME thing will somehow make all the difference?

What I don't understand is that, if they could rush the initial vaccine so quickly, why can't they do an updated one?

 

[Bellum_Romanum]

@Phead128 I didn't know it's possible for anyone to get infected from the virus through a parcel? Can you please enlighten us on this particular situation.

 

[Quickie]

@KYli bro told you so, Omicron is here to stay, no amount of doses will stop it cause it target infection is different from the original virus. My son who is inoculated with his first dose is doing better than my 2nd daughter who had her 3rd doses. Its my private observation that having the 3rd doses may have weaken her immune system?

What you suggest probably has some truth for those who have been newly vaccinated.

Consider the case of a person having just been injected with the vaccine and his immune system has just started to build immunity against the vaccine but he is unlucky enough to be infected with the virus at the same time.

To the immune system, it's fighting on two fronts: 1. the vaccine itself although the immune system won't know it's actually helping to build immunity against the virus. 2. the virus which is what the immune system should first fully concentrate on but fail to recognize as such and so ends up fighting the virus with only a part of the resources, with the rest taken up by the vaccine.

That's why it's probably better not to go out and mix around in the 1st, 2nd, or even the 3rd week just after the vaccination.

 

[B.I.B.]

When I saw that countries are doing fourth shots, I was thinking, "Who is holding stock in Moderna and Pfizer?"

We are already seeing so many breakthroughs of people with 3 shots, forget 2, but we think 4 shots of the SAME thing will somehow make all the difference?

What I don't understand is that, if they could rush the initial vaccine so quickly, why can't they do an updated one?

That has me stumped as well. As asked months ago " mRNA vaccines are better than the traditional way of making vaccines because it was quicker to make updated vaccines for the variants" so where are they?

 

[Overbom]

@Phead128 I didn't know it's possible for anyone to get infected from the virus through a parcel? Can you please enlighten us on this particular situation.

I dont see why not. We have known all along that the virus can survive in surfaces for a long period of time

 

[solarz]

I think globally it is underreported because 40-60% of infections are asymptomatic. So everyone is underreporting, esp. in US where they are sending home-test kits that doesn't count into official figures.

Now, how much is it underreported in China compared to US, we don't know until we look at excess death rates which can tell us how much it is underreported.

I have a strong suspicion that even taking into account underreporting, China comes out FAR ahead of US because universal mask, contact tracing, mass vaccination, mass testing, robust lockdowns, no overwhelmed hospitals, strict international visitor quarantine and testing, lack of politicization of pandemic, and lack of misinformation.

You're talking about the underreporting of infections.

Deaths, on the other hand, is another matter.

Excess death rates don't mean anything. Entire lifestyles have changed over covid restrictions. More people working from home means less traffic accidents, just as a simple example.