Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)


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"Great news" for mRNA vaccine worshippers. :cool:

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At least 13 people in Oslo have been infected with the Omicron variant of the coronavirus following a corporate Christmas party described as a "super spreader event", and their numbers could rise to over 60 cases, authorities said on Friday.

"Our working hypothesis is that at least half of the 120 participants were infected with the Omicron variant during the party. This makes this, for now, the largest Omicron outbreak outside South Africa."

The first person in Oslo confirmed as infected had attended the party, where at least one employee had just returned from South Africa. All the attendees were fully vaccinated and had tested negative before the event.


Background:
Norway primarily use comirnaty (Pfizer/Biontech) mRNA. It stopped AC early on due to the blood-clout.

What we get:
120 people fully vaccinated by presumably mRNA. 13 people confirmed infected so far, that is 11%. Authority expects over 60 eventually will be confirmed to be infected, that is over 50%. What is that efficacy? This is real life, not statistic.
I would be interested in hearing your response to what much of our media are saying. " Most people are "done with Covid" Omicron appears to be mild with no death or hospitalization and one is ok after a few days, therefore we should be continue opening up with minimum standard precautions we had adopted towards Delta. I'm double vaccinated but used a fake vaccine pass to get into a bar just to see if I could and to my surprise they never really checked properly.
 

Overbom

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to what much of our media are saying. " Most people are "done with Covid" Omicron appears to be mild with no death or hospitalization and one is ok after a few days, therefore we should be continue opening up with minimum standard precautions we had adopted towards Delta.
That's their inner wishes leaking out. Or as otherwise known, wishfull thinking

Fact is, that we wont have sufficient data about the death/hospitalisation rate until the end of December. Anyone else who says otherwise is fooling the world. That includes "Dr."Fauci, WHO, and that S.African doctor who detected the first case of the Omicron variant

And something else that these people don't say, even if mortality rate is the same or even less than the Delta variant, we are still in huge trouble because Omicron variant is approximately x3 more transmissible than the Delta variant (called Rt, not to be confused with R0)
And with such high infection rate, the healthcare systems around the world will start collapsing if they let Omicron run out of control

Personally I am not as optimistic as the media. We need to wait until the end of December until we can start having some scientific findings about Omicron
 

Phead128

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"Great news" for mRNA vaccine worshippers. :cool:

The Chinese gov't knows mRNA is not a miracle technology that can solve the pandemic. However, Chinese gov't is investing billions into mRNA technology, and they are denying Pfizer mRNA entry into the domestic market. At this point, it's ALL psychological and ALL political now. I feel China will wean itself off lockdowns once it everyone recieves an additional indigenous mRNA local booster.
 
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daifo

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I would be interested in hearing your response to what much of our media are saying. " Most people are "done with Covid" Omicron appears to be mild with no death or hospitalization and one is ok after a few days, therefore we should be continue opening up with minimum standard precautions we had adopted towards Delta. I'm double vaccinated but used a fake vaccine pass to get into a bar just to see if I could and to my surprise they never really checked properly.

At least in the US, you can prob just photoshop a digital card to your own name since no one actually scans the QR code to check the name (not sure if the us qr code even has name or if it just checks true/false though). There is prob no penalty for letting people in with fake vaccine cards, hence the bar doesn't take it seriously. Losing 1 customer can mean his whole group walking out and losing hundreds of dollars.
 

taxiya

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I would be interested in hearing your response to what much of our media are saying. " Most people are "done with Covid" Omicron appears to be mild with no death or hospitalization and one is ok after a few days, therefore we should be continue opening up with minimum standard precautions we had adopted towards Delta. I'm double vaccinated but used a fake vaccine pass to get into a bar just to see if I could and to my surprise they never really checked properly.
Having that attitude in this short time (omicron hasn't spread yet) before knowing anything about it tells me that the people have made up their mind long before. They were never serious about any variants.
 

taxiya

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The Chinese gov't knows mRNA is not a miracle technology that can solve the pandemic. However, Chinese gov't is investing billions into mRNA technology, and they are denying Pfizer mRNA entry into the domestic market. At this point, it's ALL psychological and ALL political now. I feel China will wean itself off lockdowns once it everyone recieves an additional indigenous mRNA local booster.
Just want to know what does your post mean in regards to my my post? I fail to see if you agree, disagree or are trying to add anything to it.
 

Phead128

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I would be interested in hearing your response to what much of our media are saying. " Most people are "done with Covid" Omicron appears to be mild with no death or hospitalization and one is ok after a few days, therefore we should be continue opening up with minimum standard precautions we had adopted towards Delta. I'm double vaccinated but used a fake vaccine pass to get into a bar just to see if I could and to my surprise they never really checked properly.
In the U.S. , it's everyone for themselves. The Federal gov't abdicated responsibility to the State, who then abdicated responsibility to the Local and City-level officials who have no epidemiological training at all. At this point, it's up to you to protect your family and yourself, mask up yourself, vaccinate yourself. It's "Fuck Thy Neighbor" attitude in US now.... (younger) people don't care if your grandma or dad dies due to XYZ variant.

Just want to know what does your post mean in regards to my my post? I fail to see if you agree, disagree or are trying to add anything to it.
Do you consider the Chinese gov't as an mRNA worshipper? because that's what Chinese gov't is doing.... spending $ Billions $ to catch-up on mRNA technology with Abogen/WalVax/Everest while defacto bans Pfizer mRNA into it's market.
 

taxiya

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Do you consider the Chinese gov't as an mRNA worshipper? because that's what Chinese gov't is doing.... spending $ Billions $ to catch-up on mRNA technology with Abogen/WalVax/Everest while defacto bans Pfizer mRNA into it's market.
No, and I don't understand how you can interpret mRNA development activity in China as a worshipping.

So if you like wine, then I can say that you must hate whisky and should not drink it, otherwise you don't like wine?

You sound like ONLY denouncing/rejecting mRNA can be seen as not worshipping mRNA. And the only way of not being mRNA worshipping is to ban China's own development of mRNA technology?

That is very twisted way of thinking and seeing things. I begin doubting that you were serious when you said it. Are you trolling?
 

SlothmanAllen

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In the U.S. , it's everyone for themselves. The Federal gov't abdicated responsibility to the State, who then abdicated responsibility to the Local and City-level officials who have no epidemiological training at all. At this point, it's up to you to protect your family and yourself, mask up yourself, vaccinate yourself. It's "Fuck Thy Neighbor" attitude in US now.... (younger) people don't care if your grandma or dad dies due to XYZ variant.


Do you consider the Chinese gov't as an mRNA worshipper? because that's what Chinese gov't is doing.... spending $ Billions $ to catch-up on mRNA technology with Abogen/WalVax/Everest while defacto bans Pfizer mRNA into it's market.

I honestly don't think it is fair to say the Federal Government abdicated its responsibility, but rather a certain portion of the population in America has become delusional and bought into laughably stupid conspiracy theories. You know when you have people who have denounced vaccines, lockdowns, masks, etc who then lose a spouse to the virus and still go on supporting anti-vaccine rhetoric they are completely lost.
 

Phead128

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Are you trolling?

Bro, who says "Great news for mRNA Worshipper" is the true troll.

If mRNA are truly ineffective at <50% efficacy as you suggested, the Chinese gov't would not be investing $ Billions $ into this new technology.

Actions speak louder than words. Chinese gov't puts it's money where it's mouth is, while you are making cheap shots at "mRNA Worshippers" like some sort of gotcha and then playing victim.

So if you like wine, then I can say that you must hate whisky and should not drink it, otherwise you don't like wine?

It's more like Chinese gov't is investing in both wine and whiskey production, suggesting both alcoholic beverages are important high quality products there is no need to accuse others of "Worshipping Wine" or "Worshipping Whiskey".... we want both. The Chinese gov't wants both, it's not a false dichotomy.
 
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