Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)


Sardaukar20

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3 allegations in Malaysia where these people claimed that they had not developed antibodies to Covid-19 after being vaccinated with Sinovac. One of them, via a lawyer asked the govt to re-vaccinate her with Pfizer. Antibody test was apparently by a US FDA approved test. The real question is, is this a real issue or a publicity stunt? Or a deliberately blown up issue by the media?

The Malaysian minister in charge of vaccination has this to say:
Khairy said the majority of the allegations were proven to be false, a misunderstanding or inconclusive, with some claims coming from people who thought they did not get a vaccine as they did not feel any side effects.
I think this minister is right. He did order an investigation into the previous scandal: empty vaccine doses. They found that most of the allegations of that scandal were false.

I agree that this latest controversy should be investigated. But what annoys me is that the media has already jumped to the conclusion that Sinovac is 'ineffective'. I could imagine that if someone suffered a side effect from Pfizer. This same media would say, that this is very rare, while also claiming that Pfizer is 'the best' vaccine available.
 

piko1

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everything is going to be fine sayd the nurse and cried in the restroom for an hour

actually the [email protected]!t is about to hit the fan we already have professors in mathematics that predict up to 9000 cases daily
here in Bulgaria, the delta variant is going wild on our black sea resorts we seeing rising cases the bad thing is the young ppl dont really care and most of them are on vacation this country is going to burn...

and the health care workers are going to take the hit the hardest this time cause the delta ain't no joke
 

Bellum_Romanum

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Actually I have read last year that the Chinese in Italy are the least infected with Covid compared to the general populace in Northern Italy.

Furthermore the European strain of Covid virus is different from the China strain.
The same can be said of the vast majority of Chinese diasporas in North America, Europe, Asia, and Africa including that deluded country and continent they call Australia which ought to make the clueless monkeys of the western world take a pause and ask this most obvious point. If the Chinese was the precursor of the virus into the world why is the number of cases amongst the Chinese population both within and without are so small in comparison to all of the western world? When the second wave of the virus was spreading like wildfire in India a friend of mine who lives in Brampton, Ontario, Canada said that most of the cases in that city spiked mostly due to the number of Canadian-Indians who managed to escape their home country and back into Canada.

No one in the west wants to answer this dilemma because it simply contradicts the anti-China the purveyor of virus nonsense mantra the western world has deluded themselves to believe which in my opinion goes to show how insincere they are from really looking into the origin of the virus. All they want is to validate their guilty until proven guilty charge against China. We're only kidding ourselves to assume or to even believe that the west are interested with finding the truth.
 

KYli

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Basically, Pfizer mRNA vaccines effectiveness wane in 6 months. Israel has rollout a third dose for elderly and vulnerable.
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The US covid situation has worsened. Not sure Biden has a plan in place to contain the virus. More likely, Biden would leave it to the State governors to make the calls.
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KYli

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CDC no mask rule is to be blamed. Now it wanted to reverse the tide and want people to mask up again which is totally absurd.
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I might not take a booster shot now. Probably would wait for a new generation vaccines unless things deteriorate so badly that a booster is necessary.
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Nothing less than hospitalizations and deaths that motivate people to get vaccinated.
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And how NYC tend to enforce that since there are so many fake vaccination passport
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Phead128

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There are only so many variants than can develop and still be very infectious, because the virus spike protein still has to be compatible with a fixed receptor design in human cells.
I don't understand this qualifier... Coronaviruses cause 15% of 'common colds', which are known for their numerous variants/strains. In fact, there are too many strains/variants, they don't even bother creating a vaccine against the 'common cold'.

Why does it matter if it's very infectious or not? Even if it's moderately infectious or below-average infectious, it can still infect you. An outbreak can occur even a mediocre-level infectious variant.

I think your point what you are trying to say is vaccines won't be rendered useless since there are limitations to which a virus spike protein can evolve but still (reasonably) lock onto human target receptor? I don't understand the 'very infectious' qualifier.
So if you can get to 80-90% vaccination rate, with a few vaccines that target the different variants, an outbreak should completely die out.
Ugh, you might need more than just a 'few' vaccines. There are over +200 variants 'common cold' (including many Coronaviruses) that can lock on target receptors in human cells. You don't need an 'exact fit' of lock-and-key between the spike protein and human receptor in order to be infected.... over +200 variants of spike protein alone that can still infect you.... (albeit at different levels of 'R' reproductive infectivity).
I really hope the 'universal vaccine' which uses mRNA to assemble multiple variant spike proteins into a single vaccine can achieve what you are trying to do. It might be the solution to COVID variants in the future.
 
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AndrewS

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I don't understand this qualifier... Coronaviruses cause 15% of 'common colds', which are known for their numerous variants/strains. In fact, there are too many strains/variants, they don't even bother creating a vaccine against the 'common cold'.

Why does it matter if it's very infectious or not? Even if it's moderately infectious or below-average infectious, it can still infect you. An outbreak can occur even a mediocre-level infectious variant.

We don't have to worry about the established coronaviruses, because the death rates are so low and there is widespread partial or full immunity.

I think your point what you are trying to say is vaccines won't be rendered useless since there are limitations to which a virus spike protein can evolve but still (reasonably) lock onto human target receptor? I don't understand the 'very infectious' qualifier.

Ugh, you might need more than just a 'few' vaccines. There are over +200 variants 'common cold' (including many Coronaviruses) that can lock on target receptors in human cells. You don't need an 'exact fit' of lock-and-key between the spike protein and human receptor in order to be infected.... over +200 variants of spike protein alone that can still infect you.... (albeit at different levels of 'R' reproductive infectivity).
I really hope the 'universal vaccine' which uses mRNA to assemble multiple variant spike proteins into a single vaccine can achieve what you are trying to do. It might be the solution to COVID variants in the future.

If COVID mutations change the spike protein , it will change its effectiveness in binding to human cells.
But once you have a few vaccines targeting say 3 variants, you should have covered ALL the MOST infectious variants.

Then you are only left with virus variants which don't infect human cells very well, and therefore are difficult to spread.
Then if you have enough people vaccinated, the transmission chains will die out by themselves

Does this make sense?
 

Tyler

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I don't understand this qualifier... Coronaviruses cause 15% of 'common colds', which are known for their numerous variants/strains. In fact, there are too many strains/variants, they don't even bother creating a vaccine against the 'common cold'.

Why does it matter if it's very infectious or not? Even if it's moderately infectious or below-average infectious, it can still infect you. An outbreak can occur even a mediocre-level infectious variant.

I think your point what you are trying to say is vaccines won't be rendered useless since there are limitations to which a virus spike protein can evolve but still (reasonably) lock onto human target receptor? I don't understand the 'very infectious' qualifier.

Ugh, you might need more than just a 'few' vaccines. There are over +200 variants 'common cold' (including many Coronaviruses) that can lock on target receptors in human cells. You don't need an 'exact fit' of lock-and-key between the spike protein and human receptor in order to be infected.... over +200 variants of spike protein alone that can still infect you.... (albeit at different levels of 'R' reproductive infectivity).
I really hope the 'universal vaccine' which uses mRNA to assemble multiple variant spike proteins into a single vaccine can achieve what you are trying to do. It might be the solution to COVID variants in the future.

This is exactly why China should ramp up its mRNA vaccines, as they are more effective, and there are other applications as well.
 

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