Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

KYli

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I didn't eve notice things have deteriorated so much in Florida and Texas and some of the southern states in the US.
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Israel is on the breach of another lockdown even with one of the highest vaccination rate in the world. In addition, hospitals might be overwhelmed within a few weeks if actions are not taken.
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HereToSeePics

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I do wonder what will happen if within half a year pretty much all of China is vaccinated. And then they open up the country eventually. And virus proliferates. Sure, the vaccine might prevent 60% of people from getting any symptoms. Or even prevent 90% of people to be hospitalized. But for a population of 1.4 billion, assuming no vaccine still lead to 10% of people getting hospitalized, it'd still mean 1% would get hospitalized. That's 14 million people. And if just 10% of those hospitalized die, vaccine or no vaccine, that's over one million deaths. Something like 10 million people die in China annually anyway. So would a million more be a significant development?

There's a flaw in that logic being that its assuming all 1.4 billion people are simultaneously exposed to covid at the same time. This is where herd immunity comes into play - if everyone in China is vaccinated with a vaccine that has a 60% efficacy rate(your hypothetical number), this will significantly reduce the R number below 1. So if 100 infected travelers make into China, they might only infect 40 people. Those 40 newly infected people might only pass on the infection to 16 people on the 2nd round. Followed by 6 new infections, and 2, then 0. Covid will burn itself out(baring a steady stream of new imported infections). There won't be massive exponential growth in infections that will overwhelm hospital and public health services.
 

Tyler

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Didn't the CDC say that Western vaccines might have a lifetime immunity.
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Pfizer is jumping ship since selling more vaccines is more important than claiming superiority.
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People never learned.
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Fosun was smart by getting the manufacturing rights for the Biontech vaccine for Greater China.

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Phead128

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There's a flaw in that logic being that its assuming all 1.4 billion people are simultaneously exposed to covid at the same time. This is where herd immunity comes into play - if everyone in China is vaccinated with a vaccine that has a 60% efficacy rate(your hypothetical number), this will significantly reduce the R number below 1. So if 100 infected travelers make into China, they might only infect 40 people. Those 40 newly infected people might only pass on the infection to 16 people on the 2nd round. Followed by 6 new infections, and 2, then 0. Covid will burn itself out(baring a steady stream of new imported infections). There won't be massive exponential growth in infections that will overwhelm hospital and public health services.
Vaccine efficacy is a percent reduction off a fraction.


Example, say the probability of infection for unvaccinated is 10%.

A vaccine efficacy of 60% means 60% reduced risk of infection compared to unvaccinated, or 4% probability of infection for vaccinated. (0.10*(1-0.6))

Or if the probability of infection for unvaccinated is 50%. A vaccine efficacy of 60% means 60% reduced risk of infection compared to unvaccinated, or 20% probability of infection (0.5*(1-0.6))

So without knowing the raw numbers, you can't apply vaccine efficacy to arrive at total number of infections like that.
 

emblem21

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It's not looking good for the US. Suppose we reach 200k confirmed cases again in the US in the future is there any political will left for another lockdown?
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It's not looking good for the US. Suppose we reach 200k confirmed cases again in the US in the future is there any political will left for another lockdown?
Nope, they would commit political suicide if they do. They might need to use all those troops that have been taken from Iraq and Afghanistan to safe guard that USA from revolts and civil crisis’s rather then focusing on China where they in danger of actually dying. As of now, it’s a matter of time if the people are willing to die in large numbers like last year or if they are willing to lockdown and destroy their economy and livelihood more then before. Both options are going to be bad only for the USA and since China has made it clear that they will not bail the USA economy like last time, the USA has very little time left to play and should the people of the USA finally lose it when they jobs all end up disappearing and if the infection ends up mutating further, well the USA is quite frankly screwed. Besides, this virus seems to mutate quite quickly and again why doesn’t the USA try to ask India about wtf are they doing in spreading this virus everywhere
 
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