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Gatekeeper

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China says no to WHO.
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Beijing, Shanghai, and Wuhan have almost achieved herd immunity through vaccination. Although a booster shot might be needed.
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Yup they make the right decision This guy Thedros is up for election so he curry favor to the west in order to get their vote

China rejects WHO plan for second phase of study into COVID-19 origins​

China has rejected the World Health Organization's plan for a further study into the origins of COVID-19. The WHO had proposed a second phase investigation, which includes an audit of Chinese labs and markets. Beijing said the proposal shows disrespect and arrogance towards science.

Exactly right, the WHO has caved under US pressure, so the nature of a second visit will change from scientific fact finding, as was predominately the case with the original study (deliberate sabotage by politically appointed Australian members aside); to a blatant witch hunt fishing exercise, would be the case if a second visit was allowed.

Basically the second visit’s findings are already known, with the only question being how much circumstantial ‘evidence’ they can dig up to support the US lab-leak frame job.

Need I say more?

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Quickie

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With regards to the Hungary study. Apparently part of the fight is political as the antibody tests is being paid for by the lower government level controlled by the opposition party to Viktor Orban. Part of the issue was that Orban paid a very high price for the Sinopharm vaccine because he went through UAE instead of direct from China.

Also, it seems Hungary is very positive on Sputnik V results.

Anyway, it's the real results of the vaccines that should count. Last I check Hungary has a fatality rate from COVID at an average of one per day, which is much better than many of the countries that use only western developed covid vaccines.
 

Engineer

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It is hilariously ironic that western MSM information Warfare aimed to create vaccine hesitancy in China and against Chinese vaccines are gaining zero traction in their intended audiences in China, but are instead blowing back hard on the west’s own domestic audiences and making their already calamitous covid situation many times worse.
You think it's a blowback, but that's because you got the cause and effect reversed.

Anti-vaccine movement is not a new thing in the West. It was just inconsequential until COVID arrives. With the West chest deep in a hole, they now actively export anti-vaccine ideology so as to spread their own problems globally. It's the same trick they always use against their opponents, including their own opposition parties — instead of putting efforts in solving the problem, make the problem worse to hurt the opponent.
 

Sardaukar20

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Yup they make the right decision This guy Thedros is up for election so he curry favor to the west in order to get their vote

China rejects WHO plan for second phase of study into COVID-19 origins​

China has rejected the World Health Organization's plan for a further study into the origins of COVID-19. The WHO had proposed a second phase investigation, which includes an audit of Chinese labs and markets. Beijing said the proposal shows disrespect and arrogance towards science.
Exactly.

I had predicted that Tedros and the WHO would fold to the US. I knew Tedros was weak. I had predicted that they would want to change the team of investigators going into Wuhan for the next phase of virus origins tracing. It actually happened, and its worse than I thought. They were going to select the new investigators without transparency. That is why China is 100% right to reject this. Smart people can smell a witch-hunt from miles away.

Here is what I predict will happen next:
1) US and friends are going to accuse China of non cooperation, non-transparency, and trying to 'hide something'. They'll take this as China's admission of guilt.
2) In the next month, August, the US intelligence report will be ready. It'll be full of BS 'evidence', but will not be made for public reading. The US govt will take that report and say "AHA!" we got the evidence now. Little snippets of that BS report will be announced by US politicians, but that's all we are all gonna get: their words. Because they rest of it is supposed to be 'classified'.
3) The US and its dogs will proceed to issue more sanctions to China. More crap to stifle China's economy, and stigmatize the Chinese people.
4) China will protest and defend itself; which will be ignored. China will demand for the evidence for which none will be given.
5) WHO's Covid-19 tracing investigation will be suspended indefinitely. It'll practically ends there.
6) China could launch their own investigation. But there will be many roadblocks due to having to investigate in other sovereign territories. They may find something, but will be dismissed by the free world as 'propaganda and lies'.
7) The world will be divided on the Covid-19 origins theory like: WIV, Fort Detrick, aliens, or nature. Which means, we will be back to square one. We don't know.

From the US's point of view. This is a win-win scenario. First, the virus tracing work ends. There is no more risk of the investigations eventually coming to the US. Second, further stigmatization and demonization of China. Third, the US could use it as a pretext for demanding compensation from China. How? We shall see.

It is my hope that I'm wrong, and that the WHO eventually changes course and starts doing its job properly. But the history is not encouraging. The US, especially under the Democrats have been spectacularly successful at hijacking international institutions. The OPCW has been compromised, WADA has been compromised, BCI has been compromised, the MH-17 Joint-Investigation-Team has been compromised, IAEA maybe, and so on.

Best thing for China to do is to complete that Covid-19 origins tracing independently, with full scientific transparency. Publish that report for peer review. Don't bother if the free world rejects it. What's more important is the action of full transparency itself. The scientific and academic community will understand and appreciate it. Let the world sort out the facts on their own. Oh, but don't forget to continue rapidly building up the Chinese military, in case the US and friends gets a little bit too over-confident.
 

watt

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It's a pity this whole issue has been heavily politicized. It's actually a good chance for major powers to find common grounds and work together against a common enemy. Instead, it descended into childish blame game.
 

texx1

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China should have demanded written agreements with WHO for reciprocal access to other countries before unilaterally opening itself to covid investigations. Now it's stuck in a bind, playing right into a predictable trap as if US would ever satisfied with no fault conclusion. Just like the xinjiang tour by foreign journalists, taking the high road only works when your opponents are known to be honorable. As I have said before, it's high time for CCP elites to shred unreasonable illusions about US.
 

Phead128

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1) US and friends are going to accuse China of non cooperation, non-transparency, and trying to 'hide something'. They'll take this as China's admission of guilt.
For all the harping about a "rules-based" order, the US sure abandons their OWN rule of law principles, such as "Innocent until proven guilty" and "Due Process" principle so cherished by American judicial system to international affairs.

Same how WeChat/TikTok bans got dismissed by American Judges for lack of evidence of imminent "national security" threat. You can make up any reason, but it doesn't pass basic scrutiny using America's own judiciary criteria.

2) In the next month, August, the US intelligence report will be ready. It'll be full of BS 'evidence', but will not be made for public reading. The US govt will take that report and say "AHA!" we got the evidence now. Little snippets of that BS report will be announced by US politicians, but that's all we are all gonna get: their words. Because they rest of it is supposed to be 'classified'.

The results will be like UFO report released by US gov't few months ago...."We cannot explain UFOs, but cannot rule out aliens at the moment." Ambiguous enough to keep the conspiracy theorists happy and retain plausible deniability.

For people who ONLY read the headlines, (because nobody reads the full report, too lazy), their takeaway is that there is a huge smoking gun but in reality, it's flimsy circumstantial evidence that's stretched out of proportion to imply Chinese govt BAD...which is a flat out lie.
 

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