Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

Abominable

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Great take on the vaccine and Taiwan as well.


Great read:

Only rarely would the two dominant economic powers, namely Germany and France, of the European Union do the Chinese or anyone a favor, however unintentional, and the beneficiaries should savor it since the next one maybe a longtime coming.

For politics sake, these Euros north of the Pyrenees want to deny recognition to the Chinese and Russian vaccines -- Sinovac, Sinopharm and Sputnik V -- in part to protect their own brands -- Pfizer BioNtech, AstraZeneca, Moderna, Johnson&Johnson, this last under the name Janssen.

The rebuff of the Chinese, Russian and farther afield Cuban too is a medically unjustified snub since these excluded types using more conventional methods of inoculation have been proven as efficacious with fewer nasty side effects.

What this stance means, unless revised, could be a barrier to high spending Chinese tourists in Europe, those who plunged 750 billion pound sterling into their travels a year before the Fort Detrick pestilence in part to buy overpriced brand trinkets whose appeal was more snobbery than esthetics. Bad news then for Louis Vitton, Cartier, Channel, Mont Blanc, Longchamp, Gucci, Löwe, Versace, Valentino, Prada which in any case were falling out of fashion when I last checked in an amateur sociological survey conducted in Paris, Milan, Barcelona, Berlin and London where I sojourned customarily prior to Fort Detrick infected springs, noticing the scarcity of Chinese forming queues outside those boutiques strangely quiet.

Henceforth then the deep pocketed mainlanders could stay home side to explore their own vast country, Russia, Central Asia and Latin America rather than to bore themselves numbed going to the umpteenth cathedral, gallery, ancient university and museum, the contents of which could be seen free of charge on 4K YouTube, narration provided via high fidelity with accompanying musical scores.

The Euros not welcoming the Chinese could be a relief for everyone and all the more since a Shenzhen theme park has replicated all the main monuments -- ersatz yes but that is just detail. As for me, I will follow my own advice to find my beloved Portugal in Macau, Spain in Cuba, Germany in Qingdao, France in Québec, Italy in New York and would not miss a beat.
Agreed. I've been to most European countries and for the most part, they're shit. Maybe 100 years ago it would have been interesting but now it's all looking more and more the same. The only difference is the accents. Living in one European country and holidaying in another makes zero sense to me now.

Natural beauty beats human buildings every day of the week, and there's lots of great places in Africa and Asia.
 

Gatekeeper

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What are your thought? Guys. Tasuku Honjo is a Nobel prize winner!

*SHOCKING*⤵️
*令人震惊* 日本的生理学和醫學教授本庶佑(Tasuku Honjo)博士証明新冠狀病毒來自美国

Japan's professor of Physiology & Medicine, Professor Dr Tasuku Honjo, created a sensation in front of the media today by saying that the corona virus is not natural. If it is natural, it wouldn’t have adversely affected entire world like this, as per nature.
*日本的生理学和醫學教授本庶佑(Tasuku Honjo)博士 (註一)今天在媒体面前製造了轟動,他说冠狀病毒不是天然的。如果這是自然的,根據性質, 它不會對整個世界造成這樣的負面影響。*

Temperature is different in different countries. if it is natural, it would’ve adversely affected only those countries having same temperature as China. Instead, It is spreading in a country like Switzerland, in the same way it is spreading in the desert areas.
*不同的國家有不同溫度。如果它是自然的,它只會對那些與中國溫度相同的國家產生不利影響。相反,它正在瑞士這樣的國家傳播,就像它在沙漠地區傳播一樣。*

Whereas if it were natural, it would have spread in cold places, but died in hot places. I have done 40 years of research on animals and viruses. It is not natural. It is manufactured and the virus is completely artificial.
*然而,如果它是自然的,它會在寒冷的地方傳播,但在炎熱的地方死亡。我對動物和病毒做了40年的研究。這是不自然的。它是人造的,病毒完全是人造的。*

I have come the conclusion that since USA has all the 5 strains mutating at the same time, and there are millions of infections with some around still not tested. It is obvious, that the the huge number of death lends credibility to the CDC of America 's wrong classification of corona virus death in July to December 2019 to Flu diseases.
*我得出的結論是,由於美國有所有的5種病毒株同時變異,而且有數百萬的感染病例,其中一些還沒有經過檢測。很明顯,產生如此巨大的死亡人數,美國疾病控制與預防中心竟然錯誤地將2019年7月至12月那些因冠狀病毒死亡的歸為流感疾病的原因。*

Also a reported leak and closure of Fort Detrick , and strange Coronavirus death spreading in Italy and Iran in November, even before the Wuhan outbreak , lend credibility to the early outbreak from America. I can now said with confidence USA is the source of the original outbreak.
*還有的是美國德特里克堡的泄漏和關閉(去年7月),以及11月病毒在武漢爆發之前,奇怪的冠狀病毒死亡就已經在意大利和伊朗出現,這些都為美國在較早期已爆發疫症,增加了可信度。我現在可以自信地說,美國是最初疫情的源頭。*

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(註一) *本庶佑(Tasuku Honjo),1942年1月27日出生於日本京都府京都市,畢業於京都大學,免疫學家。2018年諾貝爾生理學及醫學獎獲得者,美國國家科學院外籍院士,日本學士院會員。現任京都大學高等研究院特別教授。*
 

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What are your thought? Guys. Tasuku Honjo is a Nobel prize winner!

*SHOCKING*⤵️
*令人震惊* 日本的生理学和醫學教授本庶佑(Tasuku Honjo)博士証明新冠狀病毒來自美国

Japan's professor of Physiology & Medicine, Professor Dr Tasuku Honjo, created a sensation in front of the media today by saying that the corona virus is not natural. If it is natural, it wouldn’t have adversely affected entire world like this, as per nature.
*日本的生理学和醫學教授本庶佑(Tasuku Honjo)博士 (註一)今天在媒体面前製造了轟動,他说冠狀病毒不是天然的。如果這是自然的,根據性質, 它不會對整個世界造成這樣的負面影響。*

Temperature is different in different countries. if it is natural, it would’ve adversely affected only those countries having same temperature as China. Instead, It is spreading in a country like Switzerland, in the same way it is spreading in the desert areas.
*不同的國家有不同溫度。如果它是自然的,它只會對那些與中國溫度相同的國家產生不利影響。相反,它正在瑞士這樣的國家傳播,就像它在沙漠地區傳播一樣。*

Whereas if it were natural, it would have spread in cold places, but died in hot places. I have done 40 years of research on animals and viruses. It is not natural. It is manufactured and the virus is completely artificial.
*然而,如果它是自然的,它會在寒冷的地方傳播,但在炎熱的地方死亡。我對動物和病毒做了40年的研究。這是不自然的。它是人造的,病毒完全是人造的。*

I have come the conclusion that since USA has all the 5 strains mutating at the same time, and there are millions of infections with some around still not tested. It is obvious, that the the huge number of death lends credibility to the CDC of America 's wrong classification of corona virus death in July to December 2019 to Flu diseases.
*我得出的結論是,由於美國有所有的5種病毒株同時變異,而且有數百萬的感染病例,其中一些還沒有經過檢測。很明顯,產生如此巨大的死亡人數,美國疾病控制與預防中心竟然錯誤地將2019年7月至12月那些因冠狀病毒死亡的歸為流感疾病的原因。*

Also a reported leak and closure of Fort Detrick , and strange Coronavirus death spreading in Italy and Iran in November, even before the Wuhan outbreak , lend credibility to the early outbreak from America. I can now said with confidence USA is the source of the original outbreak.
*還有的是美國德特里克堡的泄漏和關閉(去年7月),以及11月病毒在武漢爆發之前,奇怪的冠狀病毒死亡就已經在意大利和伊朗出現,這些都為美國在較早期已爆發疫症,增加了可信度。我現在可以自信地說,美國是最初疫情的源頭。*

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(註一) *本庶佑(Tasuku Honjo),1942年1月27日出生於日本京都府京都市,畢業於京都大學,免疫學家。2018年諾貝爾生理學及醫學獎獲得者,美國國家科學院外籍院士,日本學士院會員。現任京都大學高等研究院特別教授。*
Last year, people claimed that this scientist said that covid was manufactured, but he came out and said that such a claim was false. So, if you don’t mind me asking, can you cite the source of your quotation?
 

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Based on my personal experience and what I have read and heard, those type of overseas Chinese people have various reasons why they dont like the CPC (not CCP btw). For example, some got wronged by the Communists during the various movements led by the CPC such as the Cultural Revolution and the anti Conservative movement (ironically both of them produced generations of bootlickers). Some fanatically believe that the KMT did no wrong. Some couldnt steal as much money as the upper echelons (during the Jiang Zemin and Hu Jintao eras) did. However many of them are afraid of losing their 'I have a US/UK/[insert a supposedly superior nation here] green card or equivalent/citizenship' status in China. In the past, getting a green card or equivalent is something Chinese people would throw parties over. Nowadays, people, particularly the youth, dont give a damn and, based on the internet reactions to the US, are extremely annoyed by them.

Most of the overseas Chinese who were caught up in mass CPC movements are quite old at this point. Those who were persecuted during the CR were older people (since the young were the Red Guards doing the persecuting), let's assume an age at 30. So we are looking at 45 years since the end (1976), so the youngest people are about 75.

Obviously China is a big country, so there will be quite a few people who may have had negative interactions with the authorities after that time, but they should be more dispersed.

Keeping this in mind, it is my experience that many of the Chinese fueling the anti-China movement are 2nd generation or later. You could call many of them "boba liberals". They basically consider themselves honorary whites (literally... they call it 'white-adjacent privilege', IMO the most insane concept since 'Honorary Aryans'). Since they have no Chinese literacy, they only can read English-language sources which are dominated by Western propaganda. They can't seem to make a very simple logical connection...

1. Liberals believe in systemic racism
2. The west routinely says "our system needs to be supported against China/CPC"
3. Anti-China overseas Chinese support the western system... therefore Anti-China overseas Chinese are supporting systemic racism!

On top of this, many of them have this romanticized idea of their parents/grandparents heroically escaping Communist China into freedom! While the trek could have very well been harrowing, it was mainly an economic decision rather than political.

To apply this back on topic now. It is common to read about the "ineffective" Chinese vaccines. So these hanjian-types seize on these headlines and as usual lack any sort of critical thinking.
Why would these countries continue to accept Chinese vaccines if they were useless?
It cannot be to simply gain political favour with China... If they seek such strong political ties with China as to inject their citizens with saltwater, why aren't they doing something equally desperate to curry favour with the 'better' West?
Medical professionals in these countries are stupid because they were locally educated? That is literally colonial-thinking...

tl;dr summary
My experience is that most angry overseas Chinese are whitewashed 2nd/3rd gens
 

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Most of the overseas Chinese who were caught up in mass CPC movements are quite old at this point. Those who were persecuted during the CR were older people (since the young were the Red Guards doing the persecuting), let's assume an age at 30. So we are looking at 45 years since the end (1976), so the youngest people are about 75.

Obviously China is a big country, so there will be quite a few people who may have had negative interactions with the authorities after that time, but they should be more dispersed.

Keeping this in mind, it is my experience that many of the Chinese fueling the anti-China movement are 2nd generation or later. You could call many of them "boba liberals". They basically consider themselves honorary whites (literally... they call it 'white-adjacent privilege', IMO the most insane concept since 'Honorary Aryans'). Since they have no Chinese literacy, they only can read English-language sources which are dominated by Western propaganda. They can't seem to make a very simple logical connection...

1. Liberals believe in systemic racism
2. The west routinely says "our system needs to be supported against China/CPC"
3. Anti-China overseas Chinese support the western system... therefore Anti-China overseas Chinese are supporting systemic racism!

On top of this, many of them have this romanticized idea of their parents/grandparents heroically escaping Communist China into freedom! While the trek could have very well been harrowing, it was mainly an economic decision rather than political.

To apply this back on topic now. It is common to read about the "ineffective" Chinese vaccines. So these hanjian-types seize on these headlines and as usual lack any sort of critical thinking.
Why would these countries continue to accept Chinese vaccines if they were useless?
It cannot be to simply gain political favour with China... If they seek such strong political ties with China as to inject their citizens with saltwater, why aren't they doing something equally desperate to curry favour with the 'better' West?
Medical professionals in these countries are stupid because they were locally educated? That is literally colonial-thinking...

tl;dr summary
My experience is that most angry overseas Chinese are whitewashed 2nd/3rd gens
Interesting. My experience not only includes the people you mentioned but also includes relatively recent Chinese immigrants. As a matter of fact, the hanjians who spread their bs on Weibo and Wechat mainly consist of those people. That is why I mentioned the green card status symbol. These same people spread fake news about Covid being manufactured by the CPC and anti vaccine information like a fire in California’s forests. Plus they are born in the 60’s and 70’s, so they most likely taught the second and third gen’s their perspectives of the CPC and the West. So I would argue that the anti China crowd consists of the people you mentioned AND the older gen’s, along with the people I mentioned above.
 
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