Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

hashtagpls

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There are just a few key points I view differently.

No one smart enough to develop bio weapons would be naive enough to think it will magically respect national boarders, as such I believe it is a mistake to think so little of the US bioweapon a community.

Rather than cross their fingers and hope, I think the original weaponised strain had features to make it very specifically target people of Chinese ancestry only.

That was their failsafe, and it would also explain many of the other seemingly stupid and nonsensical moves made by Trump and many other western nations at the start of the pandemic

Things like doing evacuation flights and asking all nationals to make their own way home from China, all the while having zero quarantine controls, as well as the initial zero Fs given about trying to prepare for it in the US and most western nations.

On the face of it, that would be an absolutely bonkers, if they were facing a new unknown virus.

However, it makes a hell of a lot more sense if it was a bioweapon fine tuned to target Chinese only.

Pulling out nationals wasn’t about keeping those individuals safe, it was to remove Caucasians from the infected area to deny the virus exposure to that gene pool. Thus any random mutations that occurs in the wild which does makes the virus more capable of infecting Caucasians would confer zero evolutionary advantage in an environment of overwhelmingly Chinese people, so would have no reason to be passed on.

That was why Trump was so confident that the virus would magically go away, because it was designed to not infect Caucasians, so Americans had herd immunity by default and any infected who do bring the virus with them will not be able to pass it on enough to cause any meaningful outbreak (as evidenced by the Fort Detrick experience/experiment).

What went wrong for the white western world was Italy, and you can clearly see a huge sea change in western attitudes after Italy. Somehow the virus mutated to be just as infectious to Caucasians as Asians and that was when they lost control.

How that occurred is still a mystery, but it is interesting no one seems to be asking the question of what happened in Italy. But there are a couple of things that makes Italy uniquely interesting in that regard.

Say you are a moral less biological weapons developer who actually wants to unleash your creation on the world. Where do you field test such a weapon to not draw any notice? How do you easily hide or explain away massive numbers of civilian casualties to a new mystery virus while also being able to easily access them for tests to monitor how your virus performs and also have the test subjects easily confined and controlled and can be mass culled and disposed off with zero questions asked if things start going out of hand? The answer the blindingly obvious - Refugee camps, specifically Syrian refugee camps on the Mediterranean coast.

Who would bat an eyelid at news of a deadly plague breaking out at a refugee camp? I mean, such things are to be expected aren’t they? Your friendly neighbour refugee camp NGOs giving you shots and taking blood samples to test your health are never fronts for western intelligence agencies! Perish the thought! Who would care or even notice if literal boatloads of Syrian refugees got on boats and just disappeared off the face of the earth?

And where do the overwhelmingly majority of Syrian refugees land in Europe?
Holy shit, that does explain a lot; the behaviour of the USG was particularly strange; we know Trump admin and its officials were raging racists who hated Chinese so you could sense the glee they had when Wuhan was going through its worse in feb 2020.
 

Sardaukar20

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There are just a few key points I view differently.

No one smart enough to develop bio weapons would be naive enough to think it will magically respect national boarders, as such I believe it is a mistake to think so little of the US bioweapon a community.

Rather than cross their fingers and hope, I think the original weaponised strain had features to make it very specifically target people of Chinese ancestry only.

That was their failsafe, and it would also explain many of the other seemingly stupid and nonsensical moves made by Trump and many other western nations at the start of the pandemic

Things like doing evacuation flights and asking all nationals to make their own way home from China, all the while having zero quarantine controls, as well as the initial zero Fs given about trying to prepare for it in the US and most western nations.

On the face of it, that would be an absolutely bonkers, if they were facing a new unknown virus.

However, it makes a hell of a lot more sense if it was a bioweapon fine tuned to target Chinese only.

Pulling out nationals wasn’t about keeping those individuals safe, it was to remove Caucasians from the infected area to deny the virus exposure to that gene pool. Thus any random mutations that occurs in the wild which does makes the virus more capable of infecting Caucasians would confer zero evolutionary advantage in an environment of overwhelmingly Chinese people, so would have no reason to be passed on.

That was why Trump was so confident that the virus would magically go away, because it was designed to not infect Caucasians, so Americans had herd immunity by default and any infected who do bring the virus with them will not be able to pass it on enough to cause any meaningful outbreak (as evidenced by the Fort Detrick experience/experiment).

What went wrong for the white western world was Italy, and you can clearly see a huge sea change in western attitudes after Italy. Somehow the virus mutated to be just as infectious to Caucasians as Asians and that was when they lost control.

How that occurred is still a mystery, but it is interesting no one seems to be asking the question of what happened in Italy. But there are a couple of things that makes Italy uniquely interesting in that regard.

Say you are a moral less biological weapons developer who actually wants to unleash your creation on the world. Where do you field test such a weapon to not draw any notice? How do you easily hide or explain away massive numbers of civilian casualties to a new mystery virus while also being able to easily access them for tests to monitor how your virus performs and also have the test subjects easily confined and controlled and can be mass culled and disposed off with zero questions asked if things start going out of hand? The answer the blindingly obvious - Refugee camps, specifically Syrian refugee camps on the Mediterranean coast.

Who would bat an eyelid at news of a deadly plague breaking out at a refugee camp? I mean, such things are to be expected aren’t they? Your friendly neighbour refugee camp NGOs giving you shots and taking blood samples to test your health are never fronts for western intelligence agencies! Perish the thought! Who would care or even notice if literal boatloads of Syrian refugees got on boats and just disappeared off the face of the earth?

And where do the overwhelmingly majority of Syrian refugees land in Europe?
I have pondered about your theory before. I did think before that the virus was bio-engineered to target Asians. That was on my mind when Covid-19 was raging in China, SK, and Japan. And I observed the suspiciously lack of severe pneumonia going on among the various Caucasian tourists on board the Diamond Princess. There was a CNN interview of some American or Canadian tourists aboard the ship. They were Covid positive, but other than a fever, nothing truly serious.

But later the Italy and US outbreak sort of disproved my view that Covid-19 is race targeted. So I rarely discussed that theory because it's going too deep into conspiracy territory.

But as you've said, the way the US acted when there is an influx of of its own citizens returning from China is extremely perplexing. The way Trump and his gang are acting as if the virus will go away by Easter can make sense if they really thought the virus is race-targeted. But I try to go for the easier explanations first. Which is: attempted cover-up. Another sign of a major cover-up is that Trump USA was so in a hurry to quit the WHO. Why? The other failing countries like the UK, Brazil, and India didn't.

The theory of the virus being tested on refugees in Italy is plausible, but needs further evidence. Hopefully the WHO investigations there could find some answers.

Nevertheless, interestingly, I remembered a research by I think in Cambridge University that traced the family tree of Covid-19. The 'A' or earliest known strain was found predominantly in the US. While the 'B' or daughter strain was predominant in China and East Asia. Then the 'C' grand daughter strain was predominant in Europe. The 'C' strain later appeared massively in the US because of European travellers still being allowed entry. I believe that it is this 'C' strain, or the 'wild strain' as you've called it that became the real killer in the West. Its now hard to find that research anymore. Probably censored by the West. I believe that if scientists were follow and expand upon that research, we could get to the origins of Covid-19 sooner than we think. And the results could be shocking for the freeworld.
 
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emblem21

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Indeed. I too am on the position that Covid-19 is a US-made bioweapon unleashed on China by the USA. Though I don't mind being proven wrong later by the real scientists. But I'm certain that the US's Wuhan lab theory is wrong.

Perhaps Covid-19 virus was a bioweapon sitting in Fort Detrick. Then either by accident or deliberately, it leaked in Maryland. Hence the strange outbreak of Vaping illness, and the Greenspring retirement community outbreak. Notice that the Western media never once brought up these suspicious cases. It stinks of a true cover-up. Those cases probably led to the quiet spreading of Covid-19 in the US until 2020.

Then the US unleashed the virus on China. The timing was absolutely perfect. There was an ongoing trade war. There is a color revolution in HK. The HK, Xinjiang, and Tibet Freedom Acts were being enacted. Donald Trump has an election to win in 2020. Most importantly, its the Spring Festival in China and Wuhan is a major travelling hub for Eastern China, connected to the biggest cities around China. If you want to unleash a bioweapon on China, there is just no better place and timing to do it.

Very early in the pandemic, Trump was praising Xi Jinping for his handling of Covid-19 (no 'China Virus' then). While he blocked Chinese nationals from coming into the US, setting a very early example. Trump never planned for the virus coming to the US. But like every classic bioweapon, it did just that. When there were cases popping up in the US he tried to play it down. Saying that it'll 'magically disappear'. He is telling the truth. He intends for the virus to 'magically disappear' in the US. He has publicly said many times that he doesn't want more testing of the virus so that case numbers won't go up. He even dared said that it'll just reach around 15, and then it'll just go down. Trump and his Republican gang intended to cover-up the Covid-19 outbreak in the US and pretend like its only happening in China and Europe. But then the US medical community fought back and did everything against what Trump was trying to do. The Left who hates Trump, saw an opportunity to oust him, and they jumped on it. Then everything is history.

The US is no stranger to clandestine chemical and biological weapons use. It is an open secret. Biowarfare during the Korean War. BZ gas testing on subjects at Edgewood Arsenal, Maryland. The 1981 Dengue outbreak in Cuba. Plus the US likes to do its projection of evil onto its biggest adversaries: China, Russia, and Iran. Add to that, the utter silence of the suspicious early cases of Covid-19 in the US. It is not so unthinkable that the US is the culprit for the Covid-19 pandemic. The more the US pushes this Wuhan-lab theory, the more convinced I am that it is actually them who did it.
Hmmm here is my take on this. This virus is a creation of the USA in one of its bio labs but given the number of bio labs around the world and given the sheer arrogance of the USA after its so called sweat of the Soviet Union has having no true adversary to really fight, the USA sat on its laurels and basically assumed that this virus has been perfected. Given that China did drive the USA up the wall during the Korean and Vietnamese war, the USA wanted to put China in their place and to keep China from advancing at all while keeping the nation has a manufacturing hub it could control in a twisted master servant relationship. So they tried to create a virus that targets Chinese people and not westerners so that they have an ace in case China got too strong for there liking (kinda like how they wish to play God or so they though because of their own beliefs in being a master race) . When the USA has failed to put China in there place via the HK riots, trade wars and Xinjiang related activities, the USA is getting desperate given how each scheme ending up back firing twice as badly in return, they decided this virus is needed. so during the Wuhan games, they snuck the virus in via the soldiers that were competing (given how suspiciously poorly they did during the games was when no one would be the wiser). They then warned Israel and other like minded allies in the west of the situation and when China discovered the virus, they tried to prevent the Chinese from coming to there nation and wanted the virus to spread like hell in China while they can sit back and watch and basically point and laugh and try to lecture China in their time of weakness and basically act like a bunch of assholes thinking that they got away with the perfect crime thinking that China is basically doomed and the western hegemony will remain forever and that Trump will be re-elected without a problem and all that nonsense
However they made a few critical errors, one is that since it is a virus, it can evolve and mutate under the right circumstances and given that while Chinese people cannot directly travel to the USA and what not, then can still do transit flights and during that time, the virus itself evolved from a type a to type b and c and so on. In the early stages, it did effect Asians more then a westerner but given how arrogant the west has become and that God rages against anyone that tries to use his name in vain, the virus spread and evolved until it effects everyone equally.
Another error is that they believed stupidly that China’s human rights record in their eyes means they don’t care about their people much at all (or they stupidly deluded themselves to believe this). This is a grave mistake because the CCP pulled out all the stops to save the people no matter the cost and put systems in place to stop and then defeat the virus in an manner that not many nations could even begin to try. So they basically kick the viruses ass so hard that in 2-3 months, they beat the virus down to 0, when a lesser nation with lesser leadership can expect to basically become India as it is right now which ironically is basically what the west wanted China to become (humorously because India decided to attack China during their darkest hour while going crazy on their media painting themselves as superior, they got screwed up beyond measure, in a way this helps to basically render what would have been the greatest ally of the west in Asia to basically the sick man of Asia and ensuring that a major threat to a China is removed for an extended period and having west seriously thinking of writing them off).
The third critical mistake is thinking that they can basically do what China has done while down playing China’s actions and thinking they can do it better when they neither have the skill or the real sense of care that they accuse China of not having. Basically with their lockdowns they implemented well after being warned 2months prior when it was first reported, they basically destroyed a lot of their retail and restaurant businesses (since they did provide any safety nets (like China did) and screwed badly enough that they basically took the number one place in infections and deaths, leading them to having to use vaccines that may not have been completely tested (like this virus) meaning that their may be future complications.
All together, this is karma made real, the USA release the virus and in the end took it up the ass so hard that they simply cannot function all that well anymore given that the only thing stopping the USA from out right falling to pieces (due to 99% of people their being mostly broke and the 1% not giving a crap) is due to the ability to print money non stop.
Right now the USA in their craziness has made so many critical mistakes in this year alone and are now coming up with theories and basically trying all kinds of schemes to unit the world against China so they can maintain their grip on the world. However while the USA has the advantage in its media right now and can continue to paint China as the villain, all it takes in the one truth being revealed to the world to shatter what little barrier that USA has in the world turning against the USA completely. Given how the democrats has tried to use the Wuhan theory as an attacking point, while pointing fingers at Fauci and Bill gates (when they normally should have had made this an all Chinese fault only which creditable evidence), this simply is beginning the process where either implicated the USA in its creation or damages their credibility to the point of non existence (I mean they are doing what they are accusing trump of doing).
No matter what they do right now, after squandering a lot of resources, they are on borrowed time and if they dollar loses all value all they have left is war and that will be very difficult to fight if the people in the nation are tearing the nation apart from the lack of resources of basic survival. All of this, from a virus they most likely have had a hand in creating, this is the most likely conclusion given the propensity of how low the USA is willing to go to maintain their grip on the world.
again this is a theory but it is one that I believe is most likely to have been the case
 

Quickie

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There was a report that the first person who was vaccinated in Singapore, I believe that should be Pfizer, died of heart issues. Could it be myocarditis? Could it be something else? Authorities and the media might be inclined to smooth over it, to not scare the population into not taking the vaccine.

The first person to be vaccinated who then died of heart issues? It would take a lot of convincing to the masses that this is just a coincidence.
 

emblem21

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Hmmm here is my take on this.

This virus is a creation of the USA in one of its bio labs but given the number of bio labs around the world and given the sheer arrogance of the USA after its so called defeat of the Soviet Union has having no true adversary to really fight, the USA sat on its laurels and basically assumed that this virus has been perfected given the supposed research being done on it.

Given that China did drive the USA up the wall during the Korean and Vietnamese war and even now, the USA wanted to put China in their place and to keep China from advancing at all while keeping the nation around as a low end manufacturing hub it could control in a twisted master servant relationship. So they tried to create a virus that targets Chinese people and any other minority they didn't like so that they have an ace in case China got too strong for there liking (kind of like how they wish to play God or because of their own beliefs in being a master race that has been built up ever since they have defeated the Germans in WW2) . When the USA has failed to put China in there place via the HK riots, trade wars and Xinjiang related activities, the USA was getting desperate given how each scheme ending up back firing, they decided this virus was used in a last ditch attempt to bring China to heel so during the Wuhan games, they snuck the virus in via the soldiers that were competing (given how suspiciously poorly they did during the games was, they thought they can get away with it while China was distracted during their victory during the games). They then warned Israel and other like minded allies in the west they trust of the situation and when China discovered the virus, they tried to prevent the Chinese from coming to there nation directly and tried to make it so the virus spreads like hell in China while they can sit back and watch and basically point and laugh and try to lecture China in their time of weakness and basically act like a bunch of assholes thinking that they got away with the perfect crime believing that China is basically doomed and the western hegemony will remain forever and that Trump will be re-elected without a problem and all that nonsense that should make anyone sick to their stomach at the sheer lack of humanity.

However they made a few very critical errors, one is that since it is a virus, it can evolve and mutate under the certain circumstances and given that while Chinese people cannot directly travel to the USA and, then can still do transit flights and during that time, the virus itself evolved from a type a to type b and c and so on. In the early stages, it did effect Asians disproportionately compared to westerners but given how arrogant the west has become (and sincerely thinking that it cannot spread to them) and that God rages against anyone that tries to use his name in vain, the virus did spread unopposed (despite the meager barrier put into place initially) and evolved until it effects everyone equally without fail.

Another error is that they believed stupidly that China’s human rights record in their eyes means they don’t care about their people much at all (or they stupidly deluded themselves to believe they China would rather save face and try in vain to hide the truth like they would do). This is a grave mistake because the CCP pulled out all the stops to save the people no matter the cost and put systems in place to stop and then defeat the virus in an manner that not many nations could even begin to try manage to do. So they basically kick the viruses ass so hard that in 2-3 months, they beat the virus down to 0 and kept it that way for a long time, when a lesser nation with lesser leadership can expect to basically become India as it is right now which ironically is basically what the west wanted China to become (humorously because India decided to attack China during their darkest hour while going crazy on their media painting themselves as superior (look at WION for further references in regards to poor journalism), they screwed up beyond measure, in a way this helps to basically render what would have been the greatest ally of the west in Asia to basically the sick man of Asia part 2 and ensuring that a major threat to China is removed for an extended period and having west seriously thinking of writing them off as a bunch of incurable morons that is basically begging the west for help).

The third critical mistake is thinking that they can basically do what China has done while down playing China’s actions and thinking they can do it better when they neither have the skill or leadership to even do the bare minimum. Basically with their lockdowns they implemented well after being warned 2 months prior when it was first reported when the virus has already claim thousands of lives, they basically destroyed a lot of their small businesses since they did not provide any real safety nets (like China did) and screwed badly enough that they basically took the number one place in infections and deaths along with the amount of jobs lost, leading them to having to use vaccines that may not have been completely tested enough (like this virus) meaning that their may be future complications along with most of there people going broke and ending up setting up tents cities when they got evicted as a result. This ends up being the fate that they have wanted China to basically suffer from this outbreak, talk about irony.

All together, this is karma made real, the USA released the virus and in the end took it up the ass so hard that they simply cannot function all that well anymore given that the only thing stopping the USA from out right falling to pieces as a nation (due to 99% of people their being mostly broke and the 1% not giving a crap) is due to the ability to print money non stop and having the world reserve currency as they safety net.

Again this is a theory but it is one that I believe is most likely to have been the case unless new evidence shows otherwise. But hey with the way the USA is behaving right now, with the hyper focus on the Wuhan labs without providing clear evidence that none can deny means that anything the USA is trying to accuse China is most likely caused by the guilty party that is trying to deflect the blame

Please ignore the previous post as that one required a bit of proof reading due to the length
 

Strangelove

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I have pondered about your theory before. I did think before that the virus was bio-engineered to target Asians. That was on my mind when Covid-19 was raging in China, SK, and Japan. And I observed the suspiciously lack of severe pneumonia going on among the various Caucasian tourists on board the Diamond Princess. There was a CNN interview of some American or Canadian tourists aboard the ship. They were Covid positive, but other than a fever, nothing truly serious.

But later the Italy and US outbreak sort of disproved my view that Covid-19 is race targeted. So I rarely discussed that theory because it's going too deep into conspiracy territory.

But as you've said, the way the US acted when there is an influx of of its own citizens returning from China is extremely perplexing. The way Trump and his gang are acting as if the virus will go away by Easter can make sense if they really thought the virus is race-targeted. But I try to go for the easier explanations first. Which is: attempted cover-up. Another sign of a major cover-up is that Trump USA was so in a hurry to quit the WHO. Why? The other failing countries like the UK, Brazil, and India didn't.

The theory of the virus being tested on refugees in Italy is plausible, but needs further evidence. Hopefully the WHO investigations there could find some answers.

Nevertheless, interestingly, I remembered a research by I think in Cambridge University that traced the family tree of Covid-19. The 'A' or earliest known strain was found predominantly in the US. While the 'B' or daughter strain was predominant in China and East Asia. Then the 'C' grand daughter strain was predominant in Europe. The 'C' strain later appeared massively in the US because of European travellers still being allowed entry. I believe that it is this 'C' strain, or the 'wild strain' as you've called it that became the real killer in the West. Its now hard to find that research anymore. Probably censored by the West. I believe that if scientists were follow and expand upon that research, we could get to the origins of Covid-19 sooner than we think. And the results could be shocking for the freeworld.

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