Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

[HybridHypothesis]

Okay, tell me how it leaks into the market without infecting other humans and causing a lab outbreak (that would leave dozens hospitalized and some dead).

A pangolin runs into the laboratory, gets infected with a leaked virus, hops a dozen miles across the river to the marketplace, and infects everybody at the marketplace?

A broken water pipe floods the virus samples, carries the stored COVID virus down a drain and into river, travels up the sewage pipes, and infects everybody at the marketplace?

I'm happy to hear ideas, lol.

I've said it before, I've said it again. The fundamental flaw in the lab leak conspiracy theory is the lack of a lab outbreak.

Not sure, maybe it was planted there by the Americans. Or maybe it was improperly disposed of waste.

But regardless of how it might have happened, the natural origin theory just doesnt do it for me. We have so many tools for genetic manipulation these days, and we know that the lab was pursing this kind of research beforehand. LL can never be discounted because of those 2 reasons.

 

[Hadoren]

The fundamental flaws of a natural origin explanation are how the virus just emerged so well adapted to human biology and how no credible intermediate host has been identified.

Umm...have you ever read a history book? There are tons of diseases that have emerged that are very well adapted to human biology. Smallpox, the plague, HIV, malaria, polio, tuberculosis, measles, etc. I guess they must have all come from lab leaks because they are so well adapted to human biology.

This has continued in the 21st century. SARS, MERS, avian flu, ebola - they're mostly respiratory diseases that infected humans from animals. I guess they must have all come from lab leaks too.

Also there are very very credible intermediate hosts. Minks, black-footed ferrets, raccoon dogs (

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We have seen humans infect minks and cause massive epidemics at mink farms. We have then seen minks in mink farms

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. So we have literally seen a potential intermediate host infect humans.

But I guess you're going to believe it was a lab leak because the CIA told you so.

 

[HybridHypothesis]

Umm...have you ever read a history book? There are tons of diseases that have emerged that are very well adapted to human biology. Smallpox, the plague, HIV, malaria, polio, tuberculosis, measles, etc. I guess they must have all come from lab leaks because they are so well adapted to human biology.

This has continued in the 21st century. SARS, MERS, avian flu, ebola - they're mostly respiratory diseases that infected humans from animals. I guess they must have all come from lab leaks too.

Also there are very very credible intermediate hosts. Minks, black-footed ferrets, raccoon dogs (

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, and

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).

We have seen humans infect minks and cause massive epidemics at mink farms. We have then seen minks in mink farms

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. So we have literally seen a potential intermediate host infect humans.

But I guess you're going to believe it was a lab leak because the CIA told you so.

None of those emerged with a 99% affinity to a specific cell receptor though.

Original SARS and MERS are the closest, but even then they were weaker initially compared to Corona.

And despite all the probable intermediate hosts, they have not found a variant that would produce a clean phylogenetic tree (otherwise China would have already shut this lab leak theory down with the evidence). So the evolutionary link from RATG13 to the first identified corona virus has not been found in nature yet. This is concerning to say the least.

 

[Hadoren]

All you do is give typical conspiracy theory "more scientists are coming out in favor" or "so many tools for genetic manipulation these days" or "99% affinity to a specific cell receptor." This is the typical conspiracy theory game where you say X looks weird or Y looks suspicious but give no evidence.

I can do this easy for other diseases.

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Regardless of how HIV might have happened, the natural origin theory just doesn't do it for me. We have so many tools for genetic manipulation these days, and we know that the Belgians were injecting millions of Africans with reused dirty needles beforehand. LL can never be discounted because of those 2 reasons.

No other disease in human history emerged as a deadly retrovirus with a 100% affinity to human DNA. HIV integrates itself into the human genome!

And despite all the probable intermediate hosts, they have not found a variant that would produce a clean phylogenetic tree (otherwise Belgium would have already shut this lab leak theory down with the evidence). So the evolutionary link from SIV to the first identified HIV virus has not been found in nature yet. This is concerning to say the least.

Maybe it was planted there by the Belgians. Or maybe it was improperly disposed of waste. A lab breakout is just one possible vector of infection. The virus could have leaked into the Congo wet markets via other methods.

The fundamental flaws of a natural origin explanation are how the virus just emerged so well adapted to human biology and how no credible intermediate host has been identified.

My prediction for the day is that at some point a credible study claiming the virus was engineered will come out, turning the majority of the world's scientific community from interacting w/ Belgium. The fallout will surprise ppl on this forum.

Every person who wants to be dovish on Belgium will be greeted with the following from their peers.

"You want to do research with Belgium, the regime that killed 15 million Africans with their lab virus?"

Majority will say no to that.

 

[bajingan]

All you do is give typical conspiracy theory "more scientists are coming out in favor" or "so many tools for genetic manipulation these days" or "99% affinity to a specific cell receptor." This is the typical conspiracy theory game where you say X looks weird or Y looks suspicious but give no evidence.

I can do this easy for other diseases.

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Regardless of how HIV might have happened, the natural origin theory just doesn't do it for me. We have so many tools for genetic manipulation these days, and we know that the Belgians were injecting millions of Africans with reused dirty needles beforehand. LL can never be discounted because of those 2 reasons.

No other disease in human history emerged as a deadly retrovirus with a 100% affinity to human DNA. HIV integrates itself into the human genome!

And despite all the probable intermediate hosts, they have not found a variant that would produce a clean phylogenetic tree (otherwise Belgium would have already shut this lab leak theory down with the evidence). So the evolutionary link from SIV to the first identified HIV virus has not been found in nature yet. This is concerning to say the least.

Maybe it was planted there by the Belgians. Or maybe it was improperly disposed of waste. A lab breakout is just one possible vector of infection. The virus could have leaked into the Congo wet markets via other methods.

The fundamental flaws of a natural origin explanation are how the virus just emerged so well adapted to human biology and how no credible intermediate host has been identified.

My prediction for the day is that at some point a credible study claiming the virus was engineered will come out, turning the majority of the world's scientific community from interacting w/ Belgium. The fallout will surprise ppl on this forum.

Every person who wants to be dovish on Belgium will be greeted with the following from their peers.

"You want to do research with Belgium, the regime that killed 15 million Africans with their lab virus?"

Majority will say no to that.

For all the reasons you mentioned above, hiv is far more suitable candidate for LL or bio enginereed than covid19 ever is
You also got the motive for hiv which is population control, condom is most effective tool to prevent infection, effectively curtailing birth rates for many third world nations, what a convenient disease
Like i mentioned before, soviet union openly questioned the natural origin of hiv

 

[Gatekeeper]

Guys. The reasons for the lab leak accusation from the west is to cover their own lab from scrutiny. I know I've posted this before but it's worthwhile to remind ourselves to bring it back to reality.







Well well well, surprising positive reports from the BBC. Noticed the headline still won't mention China's vaccine. Lol

"Brazil Covid: Deaths plunge after town's adults vaccinated"

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[daifo]

Well, a lab breakout is just one possible vector of infection. The virus could have leaked into the wet market via other methods.

The fundamental flaws of a natural origin explanation are how the virus just emerged so well adapted to human biology and how no credible intermediate host has been identified.

When the media/right-wing says no origin host found, they fail to also acknowledge it took 15 years to confirm civet cats caused sars1 , no one knows how ebola jumped into humans, it took decades to figure out AIDS/HIV

 

[hashtagpls]

When the media/right-wing says no origin host found, they fail to also acknowledge it took 15 years to confirm civet cats caused sars1 , no one knows how ebola jumped into humans, it took decades to figure out AIDS/HIV

For all their excellence in weapons technology, anglos as a rule aren't exactly science majors

 

[hashtagpls]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1399187095764279303

The CIA is really scraping the bottom of the barrel when it comes to finding "scientists" to promote their conspiracy theories.

 

[In4ser]

I've often wondered if the mysterious respiratory issues Americans had in 2020 "supposedly from vaping" is related to COVID-19.