Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)


Strangelove

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Very informative. So covid has become a political issue too.

No body really believes India's numbers at this point. I don't. What incentive do they have to report accurate numbers? The visible downside, on the contrary, is loss of face in the Global stage for the self appointed "Vaccine Superpower".

There is news of "Triple mutation" in India. And the news about the double mutation was from sample collected in October 2020.
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Its pretty clear India has become the South Asian hotbed for mutations.

Of course it's political, it's more political than anything else. Modi allows cow-shit flinging festivals and let's-bathe-naked-in the-friggin-Ganges orgies to score political brownie points than do what's needed - lockdown. Same deal in the west, but in India, combined with its natural filth and rot, the Covid virus goes even more uber-deadly.

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taxiya

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That's incorrect, both PCR and antibody tests are still required.
It seems to me that "vaccination certificate" in the US is not an acceptance of the vaccine as alternative to the mandated tests but rather an explanation of "testing positive".

This is good from China's perspective, there is no way that China should accept any non-Chinese vaccine without reciprocatory acceptance of Chinese vaccine when crossing Chinese boarder.
 

taxiya

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Thanks! Some newspaper said that no PCR and antibody tests for vaccinated people with Chinese vaccines for certain countries. Guess officially it is still required.
My understanding of the measures are:
Before the availability of Chinese vaccines, no foreign nationals can get a visa to enter China.
After the vaccines become available in certain countries, foreign nationals who 1. have been inoculated of Chinese vaccines and 2. have certain travel purposes can get visa. This is the "visa convenience".
Regardless vaccination, everything else remains including quarantine.

If you pay attention, you will see that none of those newspaper articles are written by persons with official position such as reporter of CCTV, Xianhua or People's Daily etc.
 

winword

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It seems to me that "vaccination certificate" in the US is not an acceptance of the vaccine as alternative to the mandated tests but rather an explanation of "testing positive".

This is good from China's perspective, there is no way that China should accept any non-Chinese vaccine without reciprocatory acceptance of Chinese vaccine when crossing Chinese boarder.
Yes, that's my understanding as well. The new announcement didn't change the entry policy at all (at least not now), it only acknowledged the fact that one may get a positive antibody test after vaccination. For now, a strict entry policy is still necessary when aiming for zero case.
 

taxiya

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I believe that Bio N Tech are also collaborating with Fosun for another m RNA for China.
I highly doubt that. Do you have a source for it? From the trail registration of China's CDC, there are only three mRNAs in trail, all of them are purely Chinese developed. They are PLA Medicine Academy (Chen Wei), China Academy of Science and Fudan University (very recent). You may have heard names of many companies from newspaper, they are all members of the teams.

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BioNTech又一新冠mRNA疫苗在国内启动临床试验,海外保护效力数据达95%​

复星医药高级副总裁、全球研发中心总裁兼首席医学官回爱民此前曾透露,将结合BNT162b2海外2b/3期临床数据及在中国进行的BNT162b1的1期临床试验数据,准备BNT162b2在中国的临床桥接试验申请。而此前BioNTech和复星医药目前在国内进行1期临床试验的另一款mRNA新冠疫苗BNT162b1已完成主要终点,

The title says "Another", but in fact it is the same vaccine of different iteration or variant b1 in China's phase I and b2 abroad phase III. What will eventually be put for approval is BNT162b2. BNT162b1 is dead for 1 it seems to be older iteration which is not used commercially and 2 most importantly it has never had and will never have phase III test. They are using b1's phase I data for supplement.

Very often, internet news writers do not know what they are talking about, or deliberately fake something "new" to attract attention.

[Edit]:
临床桥接试验 is stage after Phase III. This means it is b2 being forwarded for final application.
 
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Bellum_Romanum

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Of course it's political, it's more political than anything else. Modi allows cow-shit flinging festivals and let's-bathe-naked-in the-friggin-Ganges orgies to score political brownie points than do what's needed - lockdown. Same deal in the west, but in India, combined with its natural filth and rot, the Covid virus goes even more uber-deadly.

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Imagine if this practice was done in China? Oh the horros from the usual mouth breathing fakes and phony human rights watchers. But because India is a "Demoncrazy" these sort of antiquated practice and health hazards considering the present health crisis they are given a massive pass not just from the morons of western media but the "freedom loving" sheeps in western countries. Which just goes to show how much of a sheep people in the west are and they call themselves "civilized" lol
 

taxiya

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I had another thought about the certification of vaccination. The Nepalese certification only has the type of vaccine on it but not the trade name or the vaccine manufacturer. In most countries, people do not have a choice of which to take if there are more than one type of vaccines, in Europe for example, so I believe their certificate will look the same. That means countries like USA and Europe are not able to block people of other countries inoculated by Chinese vaccines from entering if Americans and Europeans also want to travel outside. What they have to do if they really want to is to specifically blocking Chinese citizens which in turn will block themselves to China. This makes other countries free to use Chinese vaccines as much as they want, also out of the "battle".

What the west hoped for was that under their "efficacy" undermining campaign there would be only a few countries outside of China to use Chinese vaccines. In this way, if they block Chinese travel on the ground of vaccine and if Chinese retaliate, China would have to either block other countries therefor self isolating or accepting western vaccination without reciprocatory acceptance of Chinese vaccines.

This act of the west is a repeat of the old trick of market access grabbing and blockage in the name of "environmental" standard. So far, their attempt is failing miserably, and I am sure will fail in the end.
 

voyager1

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This act of the west is a repeat of the old trick of market access grabbing and blockage in the name of "environmental" standard.
Oh I see you are knowledgable. Then you must also know what the EU's import carbon tax is then. Definetely for the environment and not for raising tariffs, right?...

But yes, I agree that these small countriess strategy of hiding the name is pretty good to avoid any Western entry bans.
 

taxiya

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Definetely for the environment and not for raising tariffs, right?...
Definitively for raising tax revenue to cover their financial hole for the 2008 crisis. For example taxing carbon emission in and out EU airspace does not reduce air travel since there is no other way. It does however taxed foreigners to pay for EU's financial rescue found through EU states' tax.

Market access is just one of the many but not only tricks that west has been playing in a fancy covering excuse.

And I think you disagree but I insist that China is also breaking the blockade with a conscious strategy.
 

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