I wonder whether the side effect of covid is perpetual delirium
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I wonder whether the side effect of covid is perpetual delirium
TBH, better to just sell them vaccines. Its helpful to be there first. I think they already have some coronavac donated from Chile anyways.
solarz
Brigadier
Western media trying to convince people to take Indian vaccines:
Well excuse me for not wanting to get blood clots.
This entire article is so ridiculous I have a hard time believing they're quoting real doctors.
If someone is retired or working from home and taking precautions, why the hell should they risk blood clots to protect themselves from a disease that they're not likely to get in the first place? How is that supposed to be fair?
Well excuse me for not wanting to get blood clots.
This entire article is so ridiculous I have a hard time believing they're quoting real doctors.
If someone is retired or working from home and taking precautions, why the hell should they risk blood clots to protect themselves from a disease that they're not likely to get in the first place? How is that supposed to be fair?
Because India is not creating these vaccines. They purchase licenses from Western Research institutes or Pharma companies.
India does not export anything that India itself has made. The standards and regulations create a glass Ceiling.
China's companies are affected by the glass ceiling too. So China's Pharma did not create a capacity due to lack of demand. The competition from traditional medicines within China also reduces the domestic market.
But I read that for Covid-19 vaccines, China distributes vaccines to more countries than India. It also distributed more doses 100 million vs 60 million of India. Indian vaccines are in reality British Vaccines made in India. And Europe has started to ban them (Denmark did it).
China needs to ramp up its mRNA vaccines, in order to achieve higher level of immunity. This will take another 1-2 years of vaccination for using new vaccines which can deal with new variants of covid-19 from Brazil and India.
I think Brazil and India will achieve real herd immunity by the end of this year. since the lockdown has limited impact on the economy, China is in no hurry.
I mostly like the mRNA vaccines due to how easy is to adapt them for variants, mutations etc.
Really an incredible technology. If a new dangerous variant appears tommorow, Pfizer/BioNTech can come in 2 days with a new vaccine and immediately roll it out from the production line
Obviously this is impossible for old technology vaccines. Lets hope that China can quickly come with its own mRNA vaccine
Really an incredible technology. If a new dangerous variant appears tommorow, Pfizer/BioNTech can come in 2 days with a new vaccine and immediately roll it out from the production line
Obviously this is impossible for old technology vaccines. Lets hope that China can quickly come with its own mRNA vaccine
plawolf
Lieutenant General
There is a massive gaping flaw in the logic behind that assumption, which is virus variants.
It is possible, even likely, that India was well on its way to achieving herd immunity to the original viral strain due to gross incompetence in making any meaningful progress in trying to contain its spread, only the sheer number of people infected with the live virus to achieve that ended up incubating their current, apparently much more lethal and dangerous variant (going by the reports of massive unreported excessive deaths that is causing crematoriums to literally start to melt! ).
It is entirely possible that we will see this awful cycle of ‘progress’ towards herd immunity only to spawn fresh new variants that resets the herd immunity clock due to the incubator effect of having vast numbers of people infected with live viruses and the supercharged evolution in the virus that will cause.
Indeed, that was generally the pattern in pre-vaccine ages, where pandemics comes in multiple waves over many years until an equilibrium of sorts is achieved whereby the virus settles into a less deadly form and stay with us forever or morphs into a super deadly variant that wipes out entire communities and kills so fast it doesn’t manage to spread, and thereby also itself.
But in the dark ages, travel between long distances was both slow and arduous, which played a huge part in helping to limit the spread of these super deadly variants, as the infected would have shown symptoms and either died or were murdered/quarantined before reaching new population centres.
Now, with modern travel, a virus will need to cut its incubation and lethality cycle to days or even hours to do that, which is far far less likely.
This is why I hold those experts who glibly point to history and past precedent and expect the virus to just go away by itself with such contempt, as they are indulging in wishful and magical thinking of the worst kind at the worst possible time without fully considering even the most basic of underlying factors to assume things today will follow patterns from centuries ago, when the world was a completely different place.