COMAC C919

drowingfish said:

so on these two orders alone COMAC has to deliver 200 C919s in the next seven years...that's quite a task considering they are still only producing in the single digits.

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That's not very demanding, considering COMAC have a publicly stated target of 150 per year by 2028.
And they likely could sell even more C919, given the 10+ year waiting list at Boeing and Airbus.

Given this long-term airliner shortage, it doesn't look like ticket prices will drop anytime soon...

Given how China Eastern and Air China have confirmed orders for 100 C919s each, now only China Southern (out of the Big 3 Chinese Airlines) is left.

Another significant number of confirmed orders (maybe ~100?) could be coming soon?

AndrewS said:

Just remember that Boeing and Airbus are literally sold out for the next 10+ years for the B-737 and A320s.

So COMAC can charge full price as they can deliver far faster.

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The full price can be charged only when early bugs are cleaned out.

Gloire_bb said:

The full price can be charged only when early bugs are cleaned out.

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There was a report earlier this year that the initial C919 planes were charged at full price.

It is a global market for airplanes and there is a shortage, partly due to Boeing Max issues, but also because of the 10 year waitlist.

AndrewS said:

There was a report earlier this year that the initial C919 planes were charged at full price.

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Well, this is politics, not market.
Unlike most of us here, I actually (tried to) fly C919 earlier this year.

Accepting that the plane is in its infancy (and is the first such Chinese product ever) and giving it time to prove itself is absolutely alright, but charging for it as if it's equal to Western duopoly right now is not.

AndrewS said:

There was a report earlier this year that the initial C919 planes were charged at full price.

It is a global market for airplanes and there is a shortage, partly due to Boeing Max issues, but also because of the 10 year waitlist.

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i can assure you this is not happening. Air China actually let out how much they were paying for initial C919s and ARJ-21s and it was what I would call a regular discount.

And you are wrong about Airbus and Boeing being fully sold out. there are always ways of squeezing in high valued customers. United just got that with Airbus recently. Everyone else just gets delayed.

tphuang said:

i can assure you this is not happening. Air China actually let out how much they were paying for initial C919s and ARJ-21s and it was what I would call a regular discount.

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Fair enough

tphuang said:

And you are wrong about Airbus and Boeing being fully sold out. there are always ways of squeezing in high valued customers. United just got that with Airbus recently. Everyone else just gets delayed.

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What you've described is still the definition of being sold out, because the waiting list keeps growing.

China Southern Airlines orders 100 C919 jets

escobar said:

China Southern Airlines orders 100 C919 jets

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1784919822020805096

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100 for each of the big three Airlines

same news, the key here is the delivery timeframe of 2024 to 2031. That's the same for all 3 airlines