COMAC C919

Tomboy said:

Hard to believe that it'll be a true competitor unless it had some kind of redesign with maybe a new composite wing, if they simply just stretched the current C919 you'll be lucky if it even competes with the original A321.

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its obvious there will be change in design especially in fuselage , material and manufacturing process.

base variant C919 first fuselage rolled out from assembly line in 2014 and now stretch variant coming after 13-14 years. this is such a long timeline in perspective with China's advancement in material and manufacturing.

all shortcomings will resolve in this variant.

Tomboy said:

Hard to believe that it'll be a true competitor unless it had some kind of redesign with maybe a new composite wing, if they simply just stretched the current C919 you'll be lucky if it even competes with the original A321.

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hmm???? That's a lot of strong words without any fact backed up. C919 already achieves the same CASK as A321CEO iirc. And done so with much fewer seats.

sunnymaxi said:

its obvious there will be change in design especially in fuselage , material and manufacturing process.

base variant C919 first fuselage rolled out from assembly line in 2014 and now stretch variant coming after 13-14 years. this is such a long timeline in perspective with China's advancement in material and manufacturing.

all shortcomings will resolve in this variant.

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Again, that's a lot of assumptions. We have no idea what "shortcomings" this will resolve. In fact, you want to keep as much commonalities in your series as possible.

Keep in mind that Airbus continuously improve A320, A321 & A330s over the years with small PiPs. Each one improves efficiency by maybe 1-4%. Over time, the aircraft gets more desirable. A321 was not originally able to do transcontinental flights in America. But then, it got that range and now it's the best aircraft for those kind of routes. Similarly, C919 variants can either do large mods or small incremental upgrades over time.

CASK = Cost per Available Seat Kilometre.
PiP or PIP= Performance Improvement Plan.

New abbreviation for me until today.

Apparently there were two deliveries each in November and December. Air China now operates nine planes, China Eastern operates eleven, and China Southern operates eight. So that is a total of twenty-eight planes in commercial service at the end of 2025. There are an additional six planes operated by COMAC itself. That apparently brings the total of deliveries in 2025 to 15 or 16, which is a far cry from the goal of 50, but slightly higher than 2024.